Egypt: Archaeologist Could Have Discovered the Tomb of Alexander the Great

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Alexandria| A team of archaeologists and historians from the Polish Center of Archaeology, that were conducting some research in the crypt of an ancient christian church, have revealed a mausoleum made of marble and gold that could well be the long lost tomb of Alexander III of Macedon,  who went down in history as Alexander the Great. The site is situated in an area known as Kom el-Dikka in the heart of downtown Alexandria, only 60 meters away from Mosque of Nebi Daniel, where Arabic tradition maintained the tomb was to be found and where many excavations had already been conducted.

A famous site of pilgrimage in Antiquity, the tomb is notably known to have been visited by many Roman emperors, including Julius Caesar and Gaius Octavius, better known as Augustus, who is said to have placed flowers on the tomb and a golden diadem upon Alexander’s mummified head. The last recorded visit to the tomb was made by the Roman emperor Caracalla in A.D. 215, less than a century before it disappears from Roman records.

The large monument, apparently sealed off and hidden in the 3rd or 4th century AD, possibly to protect it from the christian repression and destruction of pagan sites after the change of official religion within the Roman Empire. The entire site is a testimony to the multicultural nature of Alexander’s empire, combining artistic and architectural influences from both Greek, Egyptian, Macedonian and Persian origins. The inscriptions, mostly in greek, but including also a few egyptian hieroglyphs, mention that the Mausoleum is dedicated to the “King of Kings, and Conqueror of the World, Alexander III”.

It held a broken sarcophagus made of crystal glass, possibly damaged during the looting that took place during the political disturbances that ravaged Alexandria during the reign of Aurelian shortly after A.D. 270. It also held 37 bones, mostly broken or heavily damaged,  presumably all from the same adult male. A carbon-dating analysis is already under way to determine the age of the bones, and a battery of other tests also await to determine if the bones could be those of the Macedonian king. Other than that, the site held only a small number of artefacts, mostly broken pottery, dating mostly from the Ptolemaic and Roman eras.

The Egyptian Supreme Council for Antiquities had already officially recognized more than 140 unsuccessful searches for the site of Alexander’s third and final resting place, built by Ptolemy Philadelphus around 280 BC. Many astounding theories had been elaborated by various historians to explain the fact that the archeological excavations had come up empty-handed. Some historians had even evoked the possibility that his body could have been unintentionally stolen from Alexandria by a pair of Venetian merchants, taken to Venice, mistakenly renamed and venerated as St. Mark the Evangelist in Basilica di San Marco (Venice, Italy).

The actual facts however, seem to have been a lot closer to what had been corroborated by many authors of Antiquity and the Middle Ages, such as Plutarch,  Ibn ‘Abd al-Hakam, Al-Massoudi and Leo the African. In 321 BC, on its way back to Macedonia, the funerary cart with Alexander’s body was hijacked in Syria by one of his generals, Ptolemy I Soter.  Ptolemy then diverted the body to Egypt where it was interred in Memphis, the center of Alexander’s government in Egypt. Then, in the late 4th or early 3rd century BC, Alexander’s body was transferred from Memphis to Alexandria, where it was reburied.

By the fourth century A.D., the tomb’s location was no longer known, if one can trust the accounts of several of the early Church Fathers. However, creditable Arab commentators, including Ibn Abd al-Hakam (A.D. 871), Al-Massoudi (A.D. 944), and Leo the African (sixteenth century A.D.) all report having seen the tomb of Alexander, but none of them specified its exact location.

This new discovery by the Polish Center could certainly be one the most important ever made in the country, despite the already immense wealth of archeological treasures it has yielded. The site itself is a masterpiece of architechture and craftsmanship, and containing many possible new details about the great king. Should the bones turn out to be those of Alexander, the importance of this incredible find would certainly skyrocket, making it one of the greatest in history of archeology, if not the greatest.

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  1. JImmy on April 29, 2014 at 9:21 pm said:

    Could be Alexander’s tomb. Does not look Ancient Egyptian.

    • doug l on April 30, 2014 at 3:06 pm said:

      Well, considering the time frame of Alexander’s reign and the subsequent period of his veneration it shouldn’t look “ancient”. It should look ‘hellenistic’ in the classical ptolemaic sense…and it does in this photo with a mixture of cosmopolitan and oriental elements. That’s not to say I’m convinced based on just this report but it is an intriguing possibility.

    • Hani El-Masri on May 1, 2014 at 9:10 pm said:

      Alexander is not Macedonian now… Nor greek… He was crowned king of Egypt, and if this turns out to be true, he is buried in Egypt… So we claim Alexander an Egyptian.
      Want him ? Come n’ get him !

    • HENRY on May 2, 2014 at 9:41 am said:

      To read the many comments that many perfectly stupid left, we can understand why the war has not been eradicated from our planet …

    • Georgia on May 2, 2014 at 11:30 am said:

      To Heni El-Masri, Great Alexander Will always Be Greek And always be Macedonian! And if they found his body it should be returned to Greece. As if one day the find Cliopatra would you want her back home or the English to take her and say it there’s too!

    • Bob on May 3, 2014 at 7:40 pm said:

      Georgia;

      Cleopatra was Macedonian, as well.

    • Bob on May 3, 2014 at 7:43 pm said:

      The priests of Amun did declare Alexander to be the Son of Amun, when he was given the crown of Egypt largely as thanks for ousting the Persians. So, today, perhaps we should give his bones to the Sufis of Luxor, as they are open minded and do not quarrel about such things.

    • Rob on May 3, 2014 at 9:52 pm said:

      Hani El-Masri, The ancient Egyptians were not the same people that live in Egypt today. So really, your claim to owning antiquity just doesn’t hold any water.

    • Dr. Andrew Yiannakis on May 3, 2014 at 10:34 pm said:

      Folks, I’m sorry to say that the comments on this site reflect a lot of misinformation and ignorance. Let’s set some things straight.

      Was Alexander Greek? He certainly considered himself to be Greek, he spoke Greek and he had Aristotle as his tutor.
      You have to understand that it was Athens who rejected him as being Greek
      but that position was politically motivated. Of course this issue raises the question of how we might ethnicity
      but keep in mind that Ancient Greece was not a unified country but a collection of city states that shared a common language (with variations), shared religious beliefs (Zeus and the Olympians), enjoyed the same philosophers and playwrites and were culturally more similar than dissimilar. I would say he was just as Greek as the Spartans, the Athenians, the Thessalians, the Argives and the Thebans, among others.

    • Dr. Andrew Yiannakis on May 3, 2014 at 10:45 pm said:

      Doug is right on the mark. I would add one more item. If you vist the tomb of Alexander’s father in Vergina you will notice the remarkable similarity between his father’s tomb and Alexander’s. The major difference is that Alexander’s tomb in Egypt is more ornate and bears the symbols of the fusion of Greek, Egyption and Persian cultural forms.

      This recent discovery may at last be the true final resting place of the Great King.The crystal glass found in the tomb is a dead giveaway because Roman Emperors who visitedhis tomb reported that the mummified body was encased in crystal glass.

      To be absolutely sure however we must await the results of DNA and radio crbon dating. I hope the bones in the tomb match the bones in his father’s tomb in Makedonia.

    • Susan Llewellyn on May 4, 2014 at 8:42 am said:

      The image accompanying this article is not a photo of the tomb; it is a photo of the catacombs in Alexandria, which are already open to the public.

    • Phil Osman on May 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm said:

      PhilMabrouk as they say in Egypt sincerely I hope that is a real good news.
      It has been a long time and decades since people have tried to Kate Alexander the Great Tomb. If it is prove d correct this discovery will be a great historical event

    • Reuters on May 7, 2014 at 10:30 pm said:

      Proof of Macedonian Ethnicity found on Alexander’s Tomb!

      Reports from the excavation site say that the tomb is finely decorated with Macedonian Pikemen doing what is commonly known as the “Slavic-Squat”.

      Squatting is a posture where the weight of the body is on the feet (as with standing) but the knees are bent either fully (full or deep squat) or partially (partial, standing, half, semi, parallel or monkey squat).

      Professor Adams, who is leading the expedition, had this to say: “There is no doubt about it, these carvings of soldiers are clearly Alexanders bodyguards accompanying him in the after life. Well, since that’s a pretty long amount of time, his bodyguards need to be comfortable, and that is why the artists chose to depict them as squatting.”

      When asked about whether this means Alexander was not Greek:
      “Clearly! The squatting position is a distinctive ethnic characteristic of the Slavic people. It’s really touching, as it bridges the ancient with the modern world. I can imagine Alexander today, not much different from your ordinary macedonian slav, wearing Adidas tracksuits, drinking ракија, and of course, squatting in a corner somewhere with his buddies. A beautiful image!”

      -Reuters

    • Hennie on May 13, 2014 at 1:16 am said:

      Maybe this could be Alexander’s tomb. Kind of looks like it.

    • jery on June 16, 2014 at 9:19 pm said:

      If Alexander was greek, then way did he fight against greeks, he was macedonian, but after wining greece he adopted the language because it was easyer to adopt than to form a new alphabet.(macedonians had thair language, but not alphabet). sorry for my english.

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  5. stephen on April 30, 2014 at 3:12 pm said:

    I have been watching docos for years, the building of tombs, pyramids and other big stone things, and it is quiet obvious these ancients had verrry large 3D printers

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  7. Slavik Brevic on April 30, 2014 at 4:16 pm said:

    Alexander is Macedonian. He is not of the Greek origins as the lying Greeks talk in there lies history. Pella may be in Greek land but this will soon be Macedonia. Thesallonika will fall and be the new capital of Macedonia and the Greek will go to Athens in he tears . The Greek is the steals of Macedonian techonologias and history.

    • Alexandros the Greek on April 30, 2014 at 6:19 pm said:

      Alexander is Greek King of Macedonia, Macedonia is part of the Greek lands. This latest discovery clearly indicates that Greeks, Persians and Egyptian civilizations were respectful of each other and had established a lovely world of multiculturalism. I look forward to hearing more about the bone test results.

    • The Macedonians were Greeks just like the Athenians, the Spartans, the Thebans etc, they simply lived in Nothern parts of Greece. The Macedonians had Greek names, they worshipped Greek gods, they had Greek architectural forms (temples, theaters, stoas etc) and they used the Greek alphabet as one can observe on their coins, funeral monuments, even on “katadesmoi” (tablets inscribed with curses, as the one found in Pella, now in the museum of Pella). Alexander considered Herakles and Achilles, the Greek heroes, as his ancestors, not to mention that he had a Greek name (as also his father Philippos and the rest of his lineage). Not a single name insrcibed in ancient Macedonian funerary monuments is Slavic (for your information that means there were no -ic or -ik endings, as in your name) and of course there is not a single Macedonian inscription in the Slavic alphabet (also for your information, the Slavic alphabet was invented in the 9th century A.D. by Cyril and Methodius and was handed down to the Slavs who invaded the Balkans in the 6th century A.D., that is 900 years after the reign of Alexander). Do you still consider yourself Macedonian? What about looking at the archaeological and written evidence before talking about new capitals and stolen histories? Is it so hard for you to actually read some history and try to think logically?

    • Eλληνας on April 30, 2014 at 7:06 pm said:

      And then u wake up, slavic monkey….

    • paul on May 1, 2014 at 12:01 am said:

      Macedonia was part of Greece many centuries before the barbarians invade the Balkans and recently invented a country called Macedonia which is out of the Macedonian historic kingdom.
      You should learn History or go back the barbarian lands your ancestors came from!

    • վահաք on May 1, 2014 at 7:37 am said:

      are you out of your mind? what you mean? If you did not know greece had several provinces, one of them was Macedonia.

    • marianne on May 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm said:

      Don’t hold your Breath

    • Filipos on May 1, 2014 at 4:23 pm said:

      Slovak or Slavic, to Claim Makedonia, Who is ,was and allways will be GREEK,I tell you what Leonidas told to the Persians…”"COME AND GET IT”!!!! Go Back to the nomans lands of Russia and mongolia……….

    • filip on May 1, 2014 at 5:15 pm said:

      you stupid assholes from GAYLADA….first of all Alexandar wasnt greek! he was born in Pela by father MACEDONIAN and mother from EPIRYS…second of all MACEDONINAS dont worship greek gods, macedonians had diffrent goods, yes they all speak greeks, just like we speek today english but you are not english are you? last but not least FILIP II MACEDONIAN beat greeks sity tebs atina sparta in the battle of HERAKLEA!! so the greeks BECAME SLAVE to the MACEDONIANS. and Alexandar continue the battle to the east..you heard abaout FILIPIKI? someone greeks asshole of author wrote them to insult FILIP MACEDONIAN..and you still think that they were greeks? ya shure you stupid brainwashed idiots….there is no land GREECE…thats FORMER TURSKISH REPUBLIK there were turksih empire here so you are not greece you are turskish!! how`s that a? not very good yea….so shut the fuck up stupid jerks from GAYlada !!

    • ion on May 1, 2014 at 6:04 pm said:

      To Philip

      Can you name one single god the ancient Macedonians worshipped? Just one.
      But you can’t even spell the word Macedonians correctly, not to mention that you are calling the battle of Chaeronea, battle of Hereklea, so how can you possibly know how to spell the names of Greek gods.
      The fact that the Macedonians won that battle against the rest of the Hellenes does not mean anything. The ancient Greek states were at war with each other all the time, as for example Athens was at war with Sparta. The ancient Greek author you are mentioning was Demosthenes from Athens and he was against Philip because he was trying to restore Athens’ supremacy in the Greek world. Another Athenian orator Isocrates wrote to Philip to express that he was with his side and that Philip should unite all the Hellenes to compaign against the Persians. It’s a matter of politics and of realising which was the most powerful state in the Greek world Attica (Athens) or Macedon. Isocrates understood that it was Macedon, Demosthenes did not.

    • Konstantine on May 1, 2014 at 6:17 pm said:

      Again another Slavo Bulgaro, Albano , “FYROM” (Former Yugoslav Republic) Macedon cultural pillaging fanatic.
      Please refrain from involving yourself in these discussions with your propaganda. I am sympathetic that you have no culture of your own and want to hijack Hellenic culture , but please don’t embarrass yourself. Your ancestors weren’t even in this hemisphere at the time of Alexander’s birth , they were somewhere in the steppes of Asia and he probably spared your ancestors pitiful lives. I hope DNA testing on the bones if they are identified as Alexander the Great’s end this argument once and for all.

    • Giovanni on May 1, 2014 at 7:09 pm said:

      Lol…so if was Alexanar the Great Greek ,why he fight against Greek solders? You stupid Greek fagets !!!!

    • Stelios on May 1, 2014 at 8:38 pm said:

      Don’t worry if they find any Slavic script in the tomb the Egyptians will not destroy it but, honestly, you don’t have many possibilities. I just don’t understand why Alexander did not write not even one stone with your language and he wrote everything in Greek… Wake up finally with the lies your politicians are feeding you for the last 100 years… It is not bad you are Slavs. It’s ok! we don’t have problem with you! We all have more important problems in our life.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 9:24 pm said:

      “Alexandros the Greek” wrote things I almost agree on. Only one word is more or one word is less. Here we go:

      1. [one word more]
      Alexander is Greek King of Macedonia,
      The word “greek” is not necessary. It is just propaganda.
      Correct is:
      “Alexander is King of Macedonia”, without “greek” (more correct is that he IS NOT, but he WAS, unfortunatelly Macedonia now doesnt have king to care about it, and its neighbours, like Alexander the Great Macedonian did in the past)

      2. [one word less]
      “Macedonia is part of the Greek lands.”
      On the contrary to 1. above, here one word is missing. the truth is:
      “Macedonia is part of the Greek OCCUPIED lands.”

      Like any occupied land, the ocupator (greece) had special ministry for Macedonia.

      3. [here all the words are OK, greeks will not like the results :) ]
      “I look forward to hearing more about the bone test results.”

      me, too !

      alexander was Macedonian, and we MACEDONIANS have similar genes to it,
      MUCH better then today Greeks (which are actually Turkish people who settled in Macedonia in 1923 from Asia Minor)

    • Basil II Slav-Slayer on May 1, 2014 at 9:24 pm said:

      Little known fact about Slavs: their ethnic name is at the root of the word ‘slave’, ‘esclave’ in French, etc.

      Back in Byzantine days, slaves would be imported from around the Black Sea. Byz Greeks called the slaves after their ethnic name: in Greek, ‘sklavoi’ (sklavi); and the rest is history.

      Slavik: buuuuuuuurn! Hahahaha … (and it’s funny cuz it’s true :P)

    • James on May 2, 2014 at 2:06 am said:

      Alexandros the Greek, you seem to be confused. Greek city states were conquered by the Macedonian army – Phillip II and Alexander -thus making them subjected to Macedonia, therefore they were part of the Macedonian kingdom, not vice versa. FACT – not even Demosthenes can deny this.

    • filip on May 2, 2014 at 12:28 pm said:

      thats right james….let them go say what they want…i dont want to fall on their level of stupidity and argue with bunc of brainwashed morons…in today greece there is northern area which is called macedonia, that was macedonian land before 1913 after second balcanic war the greece occuped it and took from us…everything today all the politics is about that, they denniad it but its FACT! take a look of the geographic maps before 1913 to see the entire map of etnic macedonia…so stupid greeks one more thing, we may have slavian blod i dont denniad it,here exist milions of people its normal to be mixed noone is pure ancient, here was roman empire vizantia otoman empire etc etc.. you have too turkish blood you are slaves from middle east when turks brought you here! p.s SOLUN is ours, and atina we will share dont wory :)

    • Thomas on May 3, 2014 at 2:53 am said:

      The classic texts, to me, seemed to suggest the Macedonians longed to be recognized as “Greek” and struggled with the rest of the ancient Hellenist world to be seen, by them, that way. That and they preferred to marry and bare children with Greek women.

      Many classic writers might have resented them though, no?

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 7:20 am said:

      Guys from FYROM I’m really sorry for you. I’m not ironic ( Greek word) or sarcastic (Greek word), I’m trully sorry for you. As a Greek (better Ελλην) I’m flattered that you chose our ancestors history to base your newfound country and to name it after a legendary city/region state of the Ancient Greek world. I’m sad though that you obviously lack the ethos (Greek word) that goes along with the history that you try to borrow. If you had ever studied the ancient Greek philosophers it would be clear that to be ethical is for your own good. A bunch of lies won’t lead you anywhere and it will eventually lead to your demise (as history has shown in multiple occasions -those who lie or are unethical end up rejected, one way or another).
      Of course Alexander the Great (to me he was a rather troubled character with illusions of grandeur but a great strategic mind whatsoever) and Phillip (that’s how it’s spelled or better Φιλιππος, which of course you can’t read or pronounce) were Greeks and not just Greek speakers. Yes, we all speak English but we don’t have English names we have Greek names , Slavic names (LIKE ALL OF YOU), and so was Alexander and Phillip named with Greek names because, of course, they were Greeks.
      Not ONE serious scholar accross the Globe denies that all Macedons were Greeks. Not one serious scholar would argue that because the Macedons at some point attacked Greek states proves that they weren’t Greeks themselves. If you had actually bothered to read Greek ancient history you’d know that virtually ALL Greek city-states had declaired war to virtually any of the other Greek city-states at some point in time, so the ancient Macedonians weren’t an exeption, this was the RULE. So again wrong.
      In terms of phylletic (Greek word, I’m sorry again) clarity noone in the modern world can claim that, he or she, has it. Not me, nor you. Truth is though that during the Othoman empire years, very few Greeks mixed with the Turks due to religious and cultural differences(and those who did were actually forced to, kidnapped, raped, so on). If you see the modern Turks especially of the western part of the country you’d notice that some look like Europeans. The original Turkish phylla (Greek word) derive (come from) Mongolia. The modern Turks soon realized that if they wanted to become a part of Europe they should look like them. So during the 4-5 hundred years of their dominance in all eastern Europe they mixed with European population mostly by force to become what we now know the modern Turks. Of course if one was to go as far as modern eastern Turkey he would see again people that were too far from Europe to mix and resemble the older Turks who were Mongols.
      If you need another history lesson don’t hesitate to ask,
      Truly yours,
      Iasonas
      P.s. I have travelled through FYROM with my motorbike and it’s a beautiful place, I just wished that you were a bit better neighbors (us too). Lastly, the “ancient arcs and statuses” that you build in your capital and elsewhere to “prove” (to yourselves) that you are descendants of Alexander the Great are not only of BAD taste but offend, us modern Greeks even more. Please stop it….

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 7:36 am said:

      @James, you friend are confused. The ” Greeks” weren’t called “the Greeks” back then. There wasn’t a big Greek state like today. Instead there were multiple city-states like Athens, Thebes , Corinth, Argos, Sparta, the Thracians, the Macedonians, the Ionians (Asia minor) and others who were all undeniably part of the Greek (Ελληνικα) phylla that resided in the area of the Balkans which consisted of (mostly) today’s Greece, a part of former Yugoslavia, Bulgaria, and Turkey (Ionians). Later, (much later) the Slavs descended from (possibly) the northeast. When I say later, some say as late as 1000 A.D. (add or substract some hundreds of years) which as you realize is a lot later, after the ancient Macedonian kingdom had disappeared, so no relation whatsoever….cheers….

    • MARIA on May 3, 2014 at 1:55 pm said:

      Like it or not Alexandros is a greek name and I bet you don’t even know what it means, nor the word Macedonia. When we created one civilization after another you the slaves did not even exist…So read some history before you write any other similar stupid comments!

    • Beyond on May 3, 2014 at 5:23 pm said:

      @ion.
      The word Hellens comes from the ancient Macedonian god of the sun, Helenik(also now a word in the english language – hell – hot, dark place) Modern “greeks” are called “hellens” from the ancient macedonians when they envaded macedonian land thousand years ago from the northern part of Africa because of their darker skin caller. After the invasion they conquered attika and sparta, the macedonians went north and place their kingdom there. Another ancient Macedonian god is a goddess named “Hubaba” the goddess of beauty, the word ubava/hubava is still in use in the Macedonian and Bulgarian language. The term зборува(zboruva) is an ancient macedonian word which is still in use only in the macedonian language. Also there are more words from the ancient macedonian language that they used to speak that are still in use in the modern macedonian language. Enough?

    • Vincent Greece on May 4, 2014 at 8:19 am said:

      You have nothing, not even history so you steal from others.
      Will you conquer Thesallonika with your army??? If we send only a firefighter squad there say goodbye to your army.

      Monkeydonians…

    • Alexandra the Great on May 6, 2014 at 12:29 pm said:

      LOL!!!

    • John on May 7, 2014 at 9:39 pm said:

      I guess we just need to accept the fact, that from now on, till the end of time, any article relating to Ancient Macedonia, will be filled with comments by Brainwashed Bulgarians.

  8. kiko on May 1, 2014 at 12:39 am said:

    Macedonia to the Macedonians Alexander was not Greek will come a day when everyone will understand this because Macedonians are sure it zhto claim never lied and God help you discover the truth about Macedonia and Macedonians :D

    • Stelios on May 1, 2014 at 9:04 pm said:

      Alexander the First, took part in the Olympic Games in 504 BC as Greek. As you may know only Greeks could take part in the Olympic Games.
      more details for those who read to the article below:
      http://history-of-macedonia.com/2007/03/12/macedonians-in-olympic-games/

    • Kasiopea on May 2, 2014 at 2:33 pm said:

      #Stelios
      Alexander I also known as Philhellene which indicates his efforts to win Greek symathies(and proves he wasn`t Greek). Later he obtained admission at the Olympics.

    • ion on May 2, 2014 at 7:49 pm said:

      At Kasiopea

      Alexander I was named Philhellene because he gave advice against the Persians of Xerxes (and often supplies too) to the rest of the Greeks even though his kingdom had fallen to the Persians. Thus he put his life and his kingdom in danger in order to warn the Greeks of the Persian military plans. Philos does not mean only friend, but also lover or the one who loves/cherishes something (similarly Philip’s name means “the one who loves/cherishes horses” and not their lover nor their friend). Likewise, Alexander I was titled as “someone who loved/cared for the Greeks”. And also Alexander I shared his credentials to the Greeks he advised the against the Persians, one of them was that he though Herakles, the Greek hero, his ancestor. Thus, Alexander I considered himself a Greek, a descentant of Herakles.

  9. kiko on May 1, 2014 at 12:44 am said:

    Macedonia to the Macedonians if you look at the map of Macedonia in 1913 will be clear that the Greeks called Macedonia but grcka territory that forced us took in 1913 and do not have fears Alexander aim not to idzgubat Aegean Macedonia https://www.facebook.com/202258228669/photos/pb.202258228669.-2207520000.1398905066./10152241388698670/?type=3&theater

    • վահաք on May 1, 2014 at 7:44 am said:

      1913?, I am talking about 4700 years ago when all this nations went from Cyprus to greece and then disbursed through the land.
      you must be one of the members of this imaginary made countries after the turks took over those lands and converted this people to islam. and instead of loving your great culture……….

    • John on May 7, 2014 at 9:41 pm said:

      This article is about Ancient Macedonia, not FYROM. Please keep your Balkan-Butthurt stories out of the discussion.

      Thank you.

  10. VLADO on May 1, 2014 at 12:49 am said:

    I am from Russia and Macedonia for Macedonians Russia is a big country and at least 100 million support Macedonia and Macedonians!!!!!!!! :)

    • վահաք on May 1, 2014 at 7:46 am said:

      what is the size of this Big country, could you please give me?

    • Ukranian on May 1, 2014 at 10:35 am said:

      Russians are a mix of different tribes. From mongolic to german to slavic blood, anything goes in what we now call Russia. Their initial warlords where Scandinavians and they were actually very barbaric, so anything coming from a Russian should not be taken as fact since even now they are not a traditional nation but a multiethnic one

  11. Patricia on May 1, 2014 at 5:11 am said:

    This will be an extraordinary and the greatest archaeological find for those of Greek heritage and something for them to be very proud of. I am very excited to see what will develop from the testing that will be taking place now.

  12. վահաք on May 1, 2014 at 7:31 am said:

    Instead of subject, are you paying attention to unrelated matters.
    you have understood the matter, what is the bickering all about?

    • Filip on May 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm said:

      If u read all text u wull see there is saying thet bouns just can confurm thet belong to Macedonian King. MACEDONIAN KING. Not greek otoman african arap greek.

    • Greek on May 2, 2014 at 6:23 pm said:

      You don’t even know how to write proper English, how did you manage to read a text and comment on it. Oh what am I talking about. You live in a country where illiteracy is still a problem. And check this one, if you think I am wrong, then please consider that otherwise you would have had access to acknowledged articles from great american and E.U. universities that would show you your stupidity… :P

    • macedonian on May 2, 2014 at 7:36 pm said:

      sure just answer the 3 questions please

      1.When Greece rule Macedonian territory and when time from when to when ?
      2.Why did Greeks fight under Macedonian Flag in time of Alexander the Great ?
      3.Are You Relay Ancient Macedonians ?

    • macedonian on May 2, 2014 at 7:45 pm said:

      ITS shame to clam SOMETHING that did not belong to you or as in this case :
      TO decide what name I should have .
      OK lets take like this if you know history why it is your history unique( because you learn it only in your country ). Why our is so great because WHOLE WORLD learn like US . Facts are all over . SO ONCE again shut up and be man to admitted that you wrong . and GERMANY will give 5 billions on your account , be a good boy

    • Chris on May 3, 2014 at 9:07 am said:

      Kalimera,

      1. In ancient times there was no “Greece”, not in the modern definition of a state, but a set of Greek city-states usually fighting each other as it happened all across the ancient world. There was not Macedonia but an equivalent set of city states around modern day Veroia…Chalkidiki was colonized by Athenians (olynthos)…so your question lacks any point..
      2. Alexander united , sometimes forcefully, all Greek city states except for Sparta in order to set up for his campaign. All soldiers from all city states were free citizens, not slaves. Historians agree that the main reason for Alexander to campaign against Persian was to revenge for the destruction of Athens during the Persian wars….hmmm…I wonder why he’d do that…
      3. Not we nor you are directly related to ancient Macedonians …during the past 2300 years , Goths, Gauls, Slavs, Turks, Francs, Venicians, pirates, have invited and settled in these lands, and mixed with indigenous populations, so put a sock in it regarding this ultra nationalistic delirium..

      Yet, We Greeks, miraculously, have managed to preserve our language…or adversely the language has managed to survive through the peoples of this land and THIS my friend is what makes us Greek…
      You are always welcome to prove me that Macedonians spoke something else…

    • tpap on May 3, 2014 at 9:37 am said:

      completely agree

    • Mark Niko on May 3, 2014 at 1:36 pm said:

      All gayreeks have a cave man mentallity, they live in the rocks and think thier language and people are superior, that is why you are all in debt you gayreeks, and have no answer to yor own economical structure if you gayreeks were intelligent like you say through your genius so called scholars you would know alot but you are ritarded and need to keep making yourself feel good in your skin, because your thieving fucks dont have enough land so you steal with the help of others.

    • Chris on May 3, 2014 at 1:58 pm said:

      You’re an insulting moron and have no place in this – or any – discussion…

    • Stephen on May 3, 2014 at 3:45 pm said:

      I repeat, please stop the bickering and refrain from the gutter talk. You will never convince each other and the discussion has become a morass of opinions and certainly has lost any intellectual validity it might have had. If the tomb turns out to be that of Alexander and the bones are actually those of the man himself, ALL will benefit, whatever your ethnic background….

    • AKADIMOS on May 3, 2014 at 8:01 pm said:

      Steven, this is not so simple.

      If one steals your Credit card and your ID, he can ruin your life.

      Same if somebody tries to steal your history because at the end he wants to steal your ID.

      We won’t let that happen by a small slavic ethnic group brainwashed for decades by a (charismatic I would say) socialist leader Tito.

      Tito made a nice fairytale suitable for an ethnic group in the south of Yougoslavia which till then didn’t have identity. His purpose was to differentiate them from the neigbouring Bulgarians and Albanians. that’s all. But they really believed that fairytale. Funny but possible.

      But don’t listen to me. Listen Professor Robin Lane Fox from the Oxford University:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55tGPVKi3rw

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:18 pm said:

      don’t divert discussion with his knowledge of foreign language, English in this case… go to the points. it is so lame to divert discussion with being smart ass.

      this only shows that you do not have arguments and you are liars who were discovered

    • Filip on May 3, 2014 at 7:57 pm said:

      please continue to use google translate , btw i speak better German then English.
      Also people who correct ohter people gramar suffer from SGP or Syndrome of grammar pedintry. U asian greek suffer from many disase ;)

    • Ελληνας on May 3, 2014 at 9:43 am said:

      Always in ancient Hellas, first you were referring to the city state you were from and then the ethnicity
      The Athenians were considering themselves first Athenians and the Hellenes. The same applies for the Macedonians that were a a seperate city state, but still Hellenes

  13. Zoran on May 1, 2014 at 12:08 pm said:

    why macedonians have white skin and blue,green and brown eyes
    why greeks have brown skin and black eyes (araps and gipsies have those)
    The gen is gen and doesn’t change

    • zoran on May 1, 2014 at 2:21 pm said:

      mojot profil na Facebook zoranco zlateski

    • Antonis on May 1, 2014 at 3:11 pm said:

      instead to post your nationalistic garbage log on to etymonline com and type “macedonia” . You will be speechless!!

    • Zoran on May 1, 2014 at 9:40 pm said:

      if Alexander was greek why Aristotel teach him greek language :)Too much to thinking ???

    • Aristotle was not Alexander’s language tutor. He was one of the greatest philosophers of his time, he taught politics, ethics etc to Alexander not language! And by the way Aristotle was from the city of Stagira which is on the Chalcidike peninsula in Macedonia.
      Also do you know any coins that Alexander issued or any inscriptions that he had curved that were written in the Slavic script you use in Skopje? There is not a single one because this script was invented in the 9th century A.D. by the Byzantines for the Slavs who were newcomers to the Balkans.

    • BAC on May 2, 2014 at 7:58 am said:

      Брате па ти ги уби во поим ! Мислам дека малку ке се подзамислат ова цигаништава околу ова прашање со оглед на тоа што и самиот Александар бил со руса коса како што ние а и нашите деца ја имаат,и со право ова го кажа гените си е гени!

    • Γεώργιος on May 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm said:

      Брате па ти ги уби во поим ! Мислам дека малку ке се подзамислат ова цигаништава околу ова прашање со оглед на тоа што и самиот Александар бил со руса коса како што ние а и нашите деца ја имаат,и со право ова го кажа гените си е гени! – See more at: http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/egypt-archaeologist-could-have-discovered-the-tomb-of-alexander-the-great/#comment-10932

      Разбирам български затощо студирах там.. и сте kрадили Български език и гръцката история за да гордеете на нещо.. ооо да да разбираш Български маймуна!!! Мангейдоци.. pročitam komentari i se nasmejen koliko ste ne pismeni u VARDASKU! oooo šta se desilo?? razymeš i Srbski?? nakraju si šta??? Srbin Българин ili ne postoiš?? когато ще имате албанац председник ще имате името ДИСНЕЙЛАНД..

    • Zoran on May 2, 2014 at 8:50 pm said:

      In Alexander’s time Macedonians invented koine language wich was artificial language and was used in macedonian empire to understand every nations( like english now in whole world )You annexed this language like your own mother “ancient greek” language with german and english help.And now every stone from ancient time with koine letter you show like yours

    • Zoran on May 2, 2014 at 8:57 pm said:

      Demosthenes said that “macedonians are barbarians with language unknown for us”
      DEMOstheN-es = DEMON in our macedonian language ( in english DEVIL)

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 1:16 pm said:

      Zoran what you said about Demosthenes was idiotic, reconsider…(read a dictionary for crying out loud)…

    • Paul Hatgil on May 8, 2014 at 9:24 pm said:

      Who says Greeks have features that don’t fit into a norm? visit any archeological museum and view Greek sculpture – light faired and curly locks. Will you ever view a black piece of sculpture – of course not.

  14. Kosta on May 1, 2014 at 12:27 pm said:

    Shameless people With even more shameless nowadays!When Macedonians have a state The state of Greece was established (composed)in 19tin century! Before in the time of Alexander the Macedonian,there were towns with strangers on MACEDONIAN LAND (Athenians,Spartans,Thebans)To create state with history all Macedonian culture was told to be Hellenic !Over 100 years Europe is telling that lie , in order to hide the period before “Hellenic period” , because it is also Macedonian culture there .
    Roman’s in order to rule Macedonia on Balkan try to destroy every sign of Macedonian culture , that is the reason all of us are not familiar with the true for MACEDONIA and Macedonians. But in libraries all over Europe,there are evidences for the true ,keep hidden from the public.The dark will expire with the light coming from God on our way. Every body will see the true and recognize the lie !

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  16. marianne on May 1, 2014 at 2:28 pm said:

    It started with the Greeks and it will end with the Greeks…….so much jealousy and hate from all you living in darkness………..Greece gave her knowledge to the whole world oppenly………..you have no respect for this country……because you are still NEANDERTHALS…….but not to worry, Greece Forever!!!!

    • Giovanni on May 1, 2014 at 7:16 pm said:

      You stupid bitch !!! U can read som Books b4 2 Write stupid things,…..Greek r fagets , u dont know nothing about history…..Alex the gr8 was faget ,!!! Just Look the Color of Skin ,on today greek’s…..they r GIPSY Color !!!

    • Goran from MACEDONIA on May 2, 2014 at 1:15 am said:

      eh..easy,baby easy..do not mix the things..if greek culture is base of our civilization(and it is..for sure)that fact do not give you right to claim that all things are greeks,first..greece..is totaly new subject(in state and political meaning)there was not greek state in ancient times..but there was state with name Macedonia,greek influence is huge in that time not only in Macedonia,but also in Thracie,Iliria(they all used greek language as official not only Macedonians) etc..so do not mix some history facts with your today’s political wishes..

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 12:59 pm said:

      Goran, you sound like you’re much more diplomatic than your compatriots. You are quite right in some things that you say. But all the aforementioned places like ancient Athens, Sparta, Thrace, Argos, Macedonia, Corinth, Ionian coast (of Asia minor) were actually occupied by Hellenic phylla (phylla or ethnicities that were united by their common language, την Ελληνικη or ancient Greek). Now with the internet it is very easy to find many reputable sources of historical knowledge that focus on scientific facts (mostly) and then speculate (less) about the origins of people in our area.

  17. RYTT on May 1, 2014 at 3:08 pm said:

    There are well known battles in history,they are telling us that Macedonians and Greeks are enemies.The well known Macedonian commander Kin was sent to south Macedonian border and crushed Greek army and Greeks have become protectorate.with that step Macedonia have ensured safety from south and have opened the huge door to india and egypt.There is no national connection between Greeks and Macedonians.Everybody talk,s english Language today after 1000 years everybody will be with english nationality.The same is with Greek language,well known culture in the world but that is not clear fact that Macedonians are Greeks.

    • ion on May 1, 2014 at 5:38 pm said:

      And the Athenians were at war with Sparta does that mean either of them were not Greeks? Does the term “civil war” ring any bells??

    • ion on May 1, 2014 at 8:11 pm said:

      For your information the ancient sources do not mention any ancient Macedonian commanders named Kin. Try to google this, there is NO such name!!!
      Do you speak English in everyday life? Judging from the way you write you don’t. The ancient Macedonians, however, spoke Greek in their daily life, they inscribed their tombs/funerary epigrams, altars, epigrams of statues, coins even their pots and their cursing tablets in Greek, they were listening to Greek plays in their theaters, they were able to read the thousands of lines of Homeric poetry; in effect Alexander loved the Iliad, he was sleeping with it underneath his pillow, he considered Achilles, the Greek hero and protagonist of the Iliad, his ancestor from his mother’s side! And Herakles, the Greek hero par excellence, his ancestor on his paternal side!

    • Stelios on May 1, 2014 at 8:59 pm said:

      Alexander the First, took part in the Olympic Games in 504 BC as Greek. As you may know only Greeks could take part in the Olympic Games.
      more details for those who read to the article below:
      http://history-of-macedonia.com/2007/03/12/macedonians-in-olympic-games/

    • Aleksandar on May 2, 2014 at 4:20 am said:

      Ion, how do you know what language speak Macedonians? Do you live in that time? In what propaganda history book do you read that? Macedonians speak similar like today’s Macedonians. You can find that fact in London. Try googling for STONE OF ROSETTA. It’s writen in three language. One of them is Macedonian.

    • ion on May 2, 2014 at 7:32 pm said:

      to Alexandar

      Every piece of writing the Macedonians left in inscriptions on their funeral monumements, altars, statues, in the pots the used, in their coinage is in the Greek alphabet and language, the Slavic alphabet wasn’t even invented until the 9th century A.D. that is how I know what language the ancient Macedonians were speaking.
      As for the Rosetta Stone the text on it is in Greek, Hieratic and Hieroglyphic. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone you can click at the pictures of the stele and try to read it, you will discover that you won’t be able to make out the letters and that is why the alphabet is NOT Slavic.

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 1:06 pm said:

      @Aleksandar (btw nice Greek name), propaganda is the name of YOUR game. What you say about the Rosetta stone is utterly nonsense. There’s no such thing as Macedonian language, it was always Greek because that’s what these people were…Greeks….deal with it…

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  19. Krste on May 1, 2014 at 4:39 pm said:

    Greek monkeys jump :)

    Be calm and wait for results…facts do not lie only stupid communism history is a lie :)

    Alexander -> tall, blond with blue eyes

    Greeks -> dark, black hair and dark eyes

    Hell yea it proves he is at least half not Greek :)

    • ion on May 1, 2014 at 5:42 pm said:

      Alexander was actually short. In fact, when he went to meet Darius’ mother she fell to Hephaestion’s feet to beg for mercy not expecting that such a short man such as Alexander could have been the king!

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  21. Patricia on May 1, 2014 at 6:22 pm said:

    THIS POST IS FOR ION – I have appreciated your posts here about the history of Alexander the Great and Greece and wanted to ask you a question.

    The article above, around the fourth paragraph, it describes a crystal glass sarcophagus. I had read somewhere but, I cannot recall exactly where, that, Alexanders wish was to be buried submerged in honey and laying inside a crystal glass sarcophagus – do you know anything about that? This is as much as I know but would be very appreciative to learn more.

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 1:24 pm said:

      Sorry if I jump in but i’ve read from a different source (can’t remember where) that the crystal sarcophagus was actually used AFTER (in later years) the original golden one was looted/stolen by tombraiders…

  22. tony on May 1, 2014 at 6:32 pm said:

    Alexandar was Macaedonian, not Greek. He also loved Greek culture – unfortunately.

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 11:29 am said:

      Dude either you are a FYROM goverment troll or plain stupid. Αλεξανδρος IS WAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A GREEK NAME…You probably don’t even know the meaning of his name…or the name of his mother’s name, father’s name and so on. The fact that they ALL HAD GREEK NAMES doesn’t tell you anything?…You can try to make everybody crazy in the world but you’ll all end up being pointed at as crazy or ignorant. Choose your path…

    • Daes on May 3, 2014 at 11:40 am said:

      Unfortunately, he shared, served, spread and enhanced one of the most sophisticated cultures on earth at the time. Such a great shame, a true scandal forever to have blemished ancient history.

  23. Silvia on May 1, 2014 at 6:33 pm said:

    Why such an amazing discovery gives fire to useless nationalism?Everybody should be proud if that’s really Alexander’s tomb! It’s really sad to read hate in many comments.

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 6:59 pm said:

      tall that to our south friends from greece. thay will do all what their goverment says before elections to take their votes. Cause thet greece is bankrot , no money , poor people in greece. Chear Venizelos , u lead stupit people.

    • RYTT on May 1, 2014 at 7:15 pm said:

      That is because Greece is the only one country in the world with amazing history but with people that have forgot the word DEMOCRACY.In fact this country is strugling with the anarhy and nationalism because of problems with the economy.This is not the subject for the politics and issue for politicians this is an issue for historians.In fact those people who are in Greece are Barbarians.The only one country with multi national syndrome.In hag we have seen the justice and barbarian reaction for destroying small country Macedonia.in 1913 Macedonia was separated and the biggest part was for Greece, and after that there was etnic cleaning.

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 9:45 pm said:

      Sorry , but greek full hostory ?
      Since when mithology become history ?
      Greek is full just whit story for herkul
      , ahil , elena , evripid etc. Thet is story not history. Or there were minutaurs ? or Medusa is part of ur hostory ?

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 1:36 pm said:

      Had they made it clear for you? Look at the idiotic claims above mine. “Greeks not history just story” type of s%#t. Well, even guys like me (who I see myself as a democrat, by all means) can’t be diplomatic all the time…some of them are just idiotic trolls of their government which is trying to convince its ignorant populous (by naming their national road after Alexander the Great, or with statuses and arcs in their capital, Las Vegas style) that they are direct descendants of Alexander the Great, something that even us modern Greeks can’t claim for ourselves. Einstein’s quote :”…there are two things that (I’m convinced) are infinite: human stupidity and the Universe, and I’m not sure about the later” fits here…like a glove…

    • Douglas Brinkman on May 28, 2014 at 9:20 pm said:

      I couldn’t agree more! The hate and fear I’ve read in these comments have nothing to do with the recent discovery of what could be Alexander’s tomb. If carbon analysis and DNA work helps in any way I am quite pleased. In any case we must be patient.

    • Douglas Brinkman on May 28, 2014 at 9:22 pm said:

      my reply to you,Silvia, is somewhere below. Why? I don’t know

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  25. Filip on May 1, 2014 at 6:56 pm said:

    I am Filip , i have acient name , and no1 told ma that i am Macedonian. Our grand fathers and the fathers of our grand fathers tell us thet we are Macedonians around 4000. And ur jews corupt goverment in greece , tink i will belive in ur lies? I will belive in my father , and my grand father. Thay say to ma-Filip u are a Macedonian, this is our land, and Alexander is our king.
    PS:I belive thet why my father say to me rather then ur corupt goverment told u for votes for elections.

    • PLISI on May 1, 2014 at 8:02 pm said:

      filipovic, i wonder if Alexander the Great spoke your ugly slavic language!!! NOOOOO HE DID NOT YOU IDIO!!!!!!!

    • ion on May 1, 2014 at 8:24 pm said:

      Indeed you have an ancient name, but it’s an ancient Greek one. It derives from the Greek words philos meaning friend/lover and ippos meaning horse. It means ”he who loves/cherishes the horses” and there are thousands of Greeks named exactly the same!

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 9:26 pm said:

      U dumb corupt jews Greek. I am Filip , I am Macedonian , and Alexander is my king.
      My famaly is the oldest one , from old acient sity near roman path via ignacia.
      U are the one who refuse this , cause thet ur opinion for ma is irelevant.
      By By black aye , arabian jews greeks.

    • Daes on May 3, 2014 at 12:07 pm said:

      Filip, do you really think “My grandfathers insisted that I am Macedonian” is a valid answer? Do you really think that’s ALL it takes to justify it? You are clearly hiding behind your country’s (mistaken) customs and traditions, without daring to face reality more academically or scientifically. In any case, even if you can understand what I am saying to you, this reply I wrote here is most likely a waste.

      PS: Your country is more of a Jewish Zionist creation that Greece is. Joshua Ambroz Tito, your country’s major political figure, was of Jewish origin. You can easily confirm it online.

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 1:40 pm said:

      Phillip, as a psychologist I say that you’re borderline……idiot…..sorry but no pills for your case….keep trolling…

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  27. PLISI on May 1, 2014 at 7:53 pm said:

    I do not understand how today so called “macedonians” pretend to have relation with Alexander the Great when the slavic tribes came into Illyrian peninsula only at VI-VII century B.C!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wake up and stop dreaming. that for monkeydonians. Regarding the Gayreeks they know that he conquered them. and his mother was Illyrian, Epir, and his father was NOT gayreek but from ancient macedonians not the today ones. I wonder where did you gayreeks took that tan on your skin? from persian invasion or egyptians?

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 9:30 pm said:

      Many people came and went out of the Balkans. But Macedonians were always HERE :)

      P.S. Albanians came in Turkish time from the region Albania in today Azerbaijan, so what?

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 9:34 pm said:

      hahahahahh, greek king even is not greek , he is one mason hahaha zionist who greeks pay taxes so he can live rich, greek king is child from Danish king.
      And now thay will say Denmark is greek ? hahahha

    • John on May 7, 2014 at 9:47 pm said:

      Great, after the Brainwashed Bulgarians, now we have, of all people, the Albanians….

      Alexander’s mother was from Epirus, a Greek land, populated by the Epirotes, a Greek people.

      The Illyrians on the other hand lived in Illyria, which was situated North of Epirus.

      As for the Albanians, nobody knows for sure what rock they climbed out of or when.

  28. Chris on May 1, 2014 at 8:26 pm said:

    One free VISA and free post traumatic therapy to the first “Macedonian” who finds what MACEDONIAN (Ancient Greek word ΜΑΚΕΝΔΟΣ) means. Cause in GREEK language it means something very specific! ;-)
    I rest my case…

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 9:48 pm said:

      Mak = Land
      Don = People
      Makedon , land of people or Makedonija. One old Macedonian word.
      Btw this is english not greek ;)

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 10:13 pm said:

      It mean “highlanders” or people of the north (of Greece apparently) in Greek… I was talking about the etymology of the word, not simply the relevance to the place’s name…
      Every word in Greek language can be split into “lemmas”, syllabs, where each one of them has a partitioned single meaning. That’s the unique mathematical character of the Greek language.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:47 pm said:

      When we are playing with words, you should analyze this, because it is more relevant:

      The former PM of Greece was named “KARAmanlis”. KARA is Turkish word for black. Does it mean that Karamanlis is Turkish? He declares that he was born in Macedonia, but doesn’t speak abything about his ancestors who were probably born in Turkey?

      This is real etimology – just 80 years ago. Not to play with words which are 3000 years old and equalize them with today’s words.

      P.S. It is the same as if I now say that Karamanlis is connected with Japan, because Kara on Japanese means empty (Karaoke music – music without singer). Or if I connnect it with English “manly”, I may conclude that he was some Japanese settler in United states and he was KARA (without) MANLY (virtues proper to a male person), so Karamanlis is without male virtues = guy. Now i understand why everybody calls greeks fagots? LOL —- this is just joke that teaches you LOGIC, something you genetically don’t have.

  29. Evan L on May 1, 2014 at 8:30 pm said:

    This has to be the worst comments section that I’ve ever seen.

    One person calling the other effing stupid and another calling that one effing stupid. This isn’t academic discussion. this is angry people. I’ve never gotten angry when i know about the subject that i talk about. I’ve only been hateful in the past when i used to run my mouth about topics that i wasn’t 100% sure about. why would i belittle someone when i see that they might have incorrect information? I’d be happy to share with them the information that I’m aware of.

    What is this? This is humiliating. “greek fags” “stupid slavs”.
    You can’t be serious. At this point any facts that would have been talked about in the comments are rendered useless because of this pathetic display.

    I gotta take a shower. i’m embarrassed that i clicked on this link.

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 8:58 pm said:

      I couldn’t a free more with what you said.
      However, although archaeological science should be indeed the main, the only interest of this post, people’s ignorance is traditionally unbeatable…
      The thing is not what you say but how you say it and if you scroll up the posts you’ll easily notice the insulting, for of complexes attitude of certain people who lack an elementary background for a constructive discussion…
      Sadly, the less educated is a mass, the easier it becomes manipulated, victim of all sorts of propagandas…
      The Balkans is, has pretty much always been, a “bitter soup” of different people, always fighting each other, so might wanna keep an open eye and ease your criticism as not all discussions are purely academic over tea in some library..
      And in order to make myself clear: do you know that Great Britain’s official name in the EU is not “Great Britain” but “United Kingdom”?? Wanna know why? Because France opposed, due to the existence of its own “Bretagne” county in the north west. Thus Great Britain was thereafter forced to only use the term UK within the EU….And there was a huge debate about it back then with Brits recalling their old neighbors’ nicknames ( Frogs etc) and vice versa…and it was actually about the origin of the word (Britain – Bretagne), whether is was Normand (French) or Saxon (British)… ;-)

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 9:43 pm said:

      And Chris – NO !!!

      Balkans was no more or less “bitter soup” of different people, always fighting each other, then it was today Germany or it was today United states of America.

      The problems started when United Kingdom, supported by Habsburgs, other germans, Venice, and similar countries (who had problems with Turks) invented (out of nothing) “Kingdom of Greece” (project was finally realized in 1831, even preparations started century before). It was invented in order to oppose Ottoman Empire.

      In order for invention to be better accepted by local people and people settled on the south balkans from Asia minor and islands, as well as people from middle east and north east africa, inventor gave them KING, they gave them glorious stories about 2000 years old past (not connected with them, or at least much less connected with them than to my local people).

      Later on, Russian communists invented “exclusive” Slavic origins in order better to control all Slavic people (which is evident that are not genetically similar – for the few obvious: Russians are Blond, Macedonians are darker skin and hair)

      So, after so many lies in order to control this region – it is normal to be turbulent. Like America was 200 years ago, like germany was 400 years ago…

      Get out of the Balkans, and Balkans will start to lead the World in the better direction, like it did many times before :)

    • Cindy on May 1, 2014 at 10:07 pm said:

      Evan L.

      I am so happy you chimed in, I was thinking the same thing. I did find it a bit amusing though I must admit. People and their opinions are interesting for sure but this this name calling and put downs is just sad.

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 11:52 am said:

      You’re quite right! Nevertheless, many neutral parties haven’t contributed anything on a scientific level (and there’s ton of proof – not evidence) that FYROM’s side is full of BS…that tells me that somebody,somewhere, has sinister plans for this part of the globe. I personally consider myself a democrat. A huge part of Demo-cracy (which analyses to “The public holds” referring, actually to guns) depends upon its civilian-ingredients and their alertness and responsiveness towards anything that’s jeopardizing their democratic regime on the geopolitical level. What do you suggest us Greeks do? Shut up and accept a bunch of lies about history? When somebody calls Julius Cesar an Egyptian what are the adjectives that YOU would choose to describe this person? In the bottom line it should come down to who’s right (according to historical facts) and who’s not…I believe that we Greeks have sound reasons to believe that Alexander, Phillip, and everybody with Greek names, that lived in Macedonia (the ancient part of what’s today northern Greece and FYROM/Albania/Bulgaria), before even the Slavs ever dreamt to come down to this Balkan region, (early 6th century AD not BC)and spoke Greek, worshiped Greek gods, had Greek teachers for their education, participated to Greek-only games (Olympics), united other Greek cities against common enemies, MUST be Greek…What do you think…(apart from adopting a diplomatic stance in this)????

  30. Filip on May 1, 2014 at 9:32 pm said:

    After Nazy Germany , Greece done the bigest genocit in history, killing milions of Macedonians who leave in south Macedonia, and milions of Macedonian who leaves his homes. I have documents, i will tipe here, all to see how big busterds are u. Dont be stupit greek , Ur corupt jews goverment is lying u all time, we Macedonian are ur friends, so stop listen ur goverment and listen ur heart , i think u normal people are good. Fuck ur goverment dont be stupit.

    • If you have documents, then go ahead present them. But all you are talking about in your posts is the stories you father and your grandfather told. I don’t have anything against your family, but you need proof in order to convince people, not just stories and fairy-tales.
      And there is a distinction between Greek mythology and Greek history. Achilles Herakles, Theseus, Jason etc were mythological figures (whom, however, the ancient Greeks perceived as real and so did Alexander), but Perikles, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Euripedes etc were historical figures, actual people. I hope you are able to understand the difference.

    • John on May 7, 2014 at 9:55 pm said:

      The Treaty of Neuilly arranged the exchange of population between Greece and Bulgaria. The Slavic minority in Greek Macedonia moved to Bulgaria (because… they were Bulgarians) while the Greek population on the Black Sea moved to Greece.

      What was left of the ancient macedonians after the roman conquest was incorporated into the byzantine-greek nation. These people spoke and wrote medieval Greek, where orthodox Christians, and identified themselves as Romans.

  31. Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 9:34 pm said:

    Greeks – pay attention to this part of the article:

    “The entire site is a testimony to the multicultural nature of Alexander’s empire, combining artistic and architectural influences from both Greek, Egyptian, Macedonian and Persian origins.”

    Macedonian origins are different then Greek. OK – at that time all had dominant Hellenic culture, but Greeks of today has least connection, because greeks of today are just turks from asia minor who were settled in 1923 in Macedonia from Asia Minor in an exchange of people between greece and turkey.

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 9:36 pm said:

      Do u cnow that Lionel Messi is also greek ? :)

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:30 pm said:

      FOUR different origins of influence:
      1. Greek
      2. Egyptian
      3. Macedonian
      4. Persian

      I bet that Macedonian was better then Greek :)

    • ion on May 2, 2014 at 8:40 pm said:

      Macedonian for 2400 years,

      I regret to inform you that the history of the Macedonian kingdom begins circa 800 B.C. so you have left out at least 400 years. I would advice that before claiming a culture and a history for your country, you should at least familiarise yourself with the chronology of the culture you talking about!

    • Ιασονας on May 3, 2014 at 12:07 pm said:

      Get on with it! you’re a Slav and be proud of your history. The only reason there is for you to justify the fact that you’re calling yourselves as “Macedonians” is that you NOW live in an area historically associated with ancient Macedonia, you are not descendants of that civilization by any means. Sorry…
      P.S. You don’t expect us to delete documented history of hundreds of institutes around the world because someone said what (s)he said in an article…

  32. Greko on May 1, 2014 at 10:07 pm said:

    Seriously!
    To FYROMians: Go have a shower. A really cold one.
    God damn! You are Bulgarians. Be proud of your history and your nation.

    The Macedonians spoke and wrote in Greek. FACT.
    The Macedonians were Greeks. FACT.
    The Macedonians have nothing to do with the Slavic nations of the Balkan peninsula. FACT.

    To my fellow-Greeks:
    Seriously, why bothering with these morons anyway?
    One of them calls the Battle of Cheronea “battle of heraklea” (sic)
    The other one states that he has an ancient name (Philippos) and he does not even know what the HELL is the meaning of his name.

    To the foreigners who do not understand the reactions of both Greeks and FYROMians:
    let us have our differences.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 10:11 pm said:

      Macedonians of 300 BC maybe spoke “greek”, more probably their mother tongue was other – Macedonian of 300 BC, similar to Macedonian of today. But it is too far to think that the language is factor about genetic and cultural heritage.

      Macedonians of today speak Macedonian of today. Languages change…

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 10:15 pm said:

      Today Slavic nations on the Balkans, especially Macedonians and in smaller factors (in this order) Bulgarians, Montenegrin and Serbian, are the closest genetically to ancient Macedonians.

      Why do you think that they are not genetically connected – because of language? If so – what is the relation between Barack Obama (English) and King George I (English). there is only 300 years. Was King George black african? If so – then alexander the great was greek. But King George is not african, then King Alexander the great macedonian is NOT greek.

    • Greek on May 2, 2014 at 6:45 pm said:

      There is no such thing as genetic purity. In the term of word “nation” no genetics are involved. Furthermore, the greek Macedonians spoke, have nothing to do with the language composed of slavonic dialects today’s fyromians speak :P

  33. Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 10:09 pm said:

    Here is the “Declaration of independence” of the so called “Greeks” of today:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_National_Assembly_at_Epidaurus

    It is signed in 1821 by around 60 people, so called “greeks”. How many of the were from Macedonia? For example – from Lerin (renamed to “Florina” in 1920s), Voden (renamed to “Edesa”), Kozhani (Kozani), Kostur (Kastoria), Solun (Salonica), Kukush (Kilkis), Drama (Drama), Ser (Seres) …

    If ZERO – how do you explain that in 1821 “Greeks” from Macedonia were not intrested for independence from Turks? (I explain it like this: There were no “greeks” in Macedonia, they were settled from asia minor latter, with a peak in 1923, and (some) Macedonian were expelled and killed peak of the genocide was 1949, even it last to today)

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 10:27 pm said:

      True story Macedonian. Now i will retipe all facts from my book for Continental Law for 1941.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 10:58 pm said:

      Oh – I forgot:

      Even nobody is from Macedonia, there are planty of them who were BORN in Asia. Mostly Istanbul, but also some were born as far as Trabzon. Today “greeks” are their descendants.

      And so – they might be connected with alexnader the great, if he f*cked some local chick while he passed through Asia Minor.

    • Chris on May 2, 2014 at 12:07 am said:

      Finally, for your reference:
      In Greek (ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ) ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ means PROTECTOR OF ALL MEN
      ΑΛΕΧ= PROTECTOR / DEFENDER
      ΑΝΔΡΑΣ = MAN (Andras -> where “android”, “human-like” comes from….) ;-)
      That was his name and that is how it was written and that was what in meant, all of that in ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ

      Now you can tell me what it means in “Macedonian” language…

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 6:57 am said:

      Read above about your games with words.

      In my word game I find out that Karamanlis means that Greeks are fagots :)

      ***

      And futhermore, do you think that Michal Jordan is genetically connected with Jews, just because Michael derives from the Jewish language?

      If by your logic Alexander the great was Greek, then by the very same logic Michael Jordan is Jewish. And Alexander Pushkin is also Greek.

      ***

      Third point, Alexander, or Alexandros doesn’t mean anything on greek. Alexeinandros might mean something, but foreign people (like macedonians) changed that to aleksandar, and even more remote people to alexander.

      ***

      The last point – alexein is rarely used word, used only for your “mithological” propaganda. Defender and protector are completly other greek words, and you know that

    • Greek on May 2, 2014 at 7:05 pm said:

      Firstly, it is obvious that you know very few things about modern Greek history. Regarding that thing about Trabizond aka Trapezouda (it is a greek name) I believe that if you want to have a chance (not that it will be of use) to be recognised as Macedonian (a name my great grand father won war against 2 nations in order to protect, while your’s didn’t even know who Alexander the Great was), you have to accept that people of a certain nation may be found living and thriving outside their country. I mean, common sense man, if they weren’t of Greek origin, why would they return to Greece. Furthermore, regarding the names of some certain cities you mentioned, you should know that before you came up with the idea of descending from ancient Macedonians, some 30-40 years ago (!!!!), or maybe less (:P), almost all you cities had Greek names:P. For God’s sake dude, just because you weren’t happy with the Bulgarian state doesn’t mean that you can deny you sole heritage. You are Bulgarian. Bulgarians are great people, with rich history and culture and that’s what composes the great importance their nation played in European History. I mean, you have the entire academic society against you (apart from the one of your country) can’t you just accept things the way they are…

  34. Stephen on May 1, 2014 at 10:24 pm said:

    I am not deeply invested in the question of Greek or Slavic origins of Alexander and his father. However, I would like to address the homophobic slurs made by “Giovanni” in this forum. Ignorance knows no nation and clearly such comments are unacceptable here or in any venue. And by the way, Alexander was Greek in every sense of the word!

    • Filip on May 1, 2014 at 10:29 pm said:

      Hahhahah one greek who act that is stranger , who doesnt cnow the reason of all , but cnow that Alexander is greek. Nice try , we dont ate grass Greek stranger ;)

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 10:47 pm said:

      Stephen -

      First: it is not question “greek or slavic”. It is “greek of 19th century” or MACEDONIAN (like me) ! He was definitelly Macedonian !

      Second: All Macedonians of today, who are under constant presure by the greeks in the REAL LIFE to address Greeks in all bad names (which the so called “greeks” of 21st and 19th century DESERVE, because they are HUMILIATING Macedonians, and financially destroying them). I find it very very RACIST to call me “FYROManiac”, that is like calling an african american “nigger”. And it is now 21st century, not 17th century.

      3. Alexander WAS NOT GREEK. There were NO GREEKS in his time. Greeks are invented in the last 4 centuries. Hellenic culture of 336 BC is our heritage. There is NO SINGLE word that says “GREEK” before 2350 years. it is all bad translation and making relations between today and 2350 years ago, as if they are directly connected. SO NO – Alexander was NOT GREEK (as of today). What is true – he was Macedonian !

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 10:56 pm said:

      To Filip:
      Apparently the whole world has been taken over by Greeks…all negative posts for you can only be from Greeks! Lol….and naturally the authors of Britannica on the subject can only be Greeks…
      Small genuinely friendly advice:
      1. Read books, from independent sources,
      2. Broaden your thought away from what you’re being fed..
      3. Learn to debate, not bark…I.e: look for arguments and state your references

      I assume you’ve very young and passionate about the subject…it’s natural….but you’ll stumble and fall….

      “I know one thing: that I know nothing” Socrates….
      “ΕΝ ΟΙΔΑ ΟΤΙ ΟΥΔΕΝ ΟΙΔΑ” ΣΩΚΡΑΤΗΣ

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 11:01 pm said:

      Buddy, there”s no “Greek” in the Greek language either…
      We are HELLENES (ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ) in Greek…
      “Greek” (“Graeko”) was used for the first time by the Romans based on the Grekoi tribe the first met in Epirus during their invasion in Greece (Hellas)…
      Please, read some more and let’t find some common ground here….

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:07 pm said:

      To Stepehen who wrote: ““I know one thing: that I know nothing” Socrates….”

      Well, that is another proof that greeks of today are not related to him. They know everything:
      1. They know that Alexander was greek, even he lived 2350 years ago when there were NO GREEKS,
      2. They know that my ancestors came from somewhere 1500 years ago (lol,,, even better then me?)
      3. They know that ancient Macedonians were speaking 2300 year ago only Hellenic (as we do now english?), even tough there is no evidence of single local script
      ….

      The only thing greeks of today don’t know is that 3 MILLION people from Asia came on the Balkans just 90 years ago. IT IS JUST 90 years.

      And related to it, they don’t remember that just 60 years ago, in 1949, 100.000 Macedonians were expelled from south macedonia (now in greece). this people now live in Australia, Canada, Poland, Romania, Czech republic (do you remember Marek Jankulovski – Czech NATIONAL football player? his parents were 2 out of 100.000 expeled), Serbia, Macedonia (free part)….

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 11:14 pm said:

      Hey, Macedonian for 2400…

      Do you actually read what I’m writing?

      And it’s Chris, not Stephen… And I am Hellene ( if you prefer it in my language) or “Greek” in English….

      Same thing with:

      Squiptar – Albania
      Suomi – Finland
      hrvatchka – Croatia…

      Get it?

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:15 pm said:

      Chris – you are not “Hellenes”. You are “wannabe-Hellenes”.

      It is so lame to explain things like that – do you thing that the might ROMAN empire doesn’t know who was living where? You are full of stories.

      Wake up – live in today life.

      Greeks is what you are. Not Hellenes. They call you like that, to make the difference between Hellenic culture of the past and current asiatic people who speak hellenic in 21st century (like the father of Barack Obama who speaks English)

      Equalizing today’s “greeks” with Hellenes of the ancient past, is the same if somebody from India says after 2350 years in the future, that he is the only European descendants and English people were some form of Indians, because they were speaking the same language – today Indian (which will be actually English). Do you understand how u twisted the reality?

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 11:30 pm said:

      I can easily say the same thing about “Macedonians” you know , that you are Slavs, who according to global historians and scholars descended in the Balkan Peninsula around 6 A.D etc etc….
      And this will lead nowhere….
      However you haven’t actually replied any of my comments/ arguments when I clearly stated that half of my ancestry comes from what is modern turkey, yet no one of them spoke Turkish.
      And btw, I’m 1.90,brown hair green-gray eyes and I’m certainly not the only one with these characteristics …and we are indeed ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ…
      The point is: what is the element that defines who you are and where you come from?
      Is it: 1. Religion?
      2. Language?
      3. Genetics?
      4. Wishful thinking?

      If we agree on the criterion, then we can continue discussing who you are and who in am..

      What I do know is me the “Greek” can still read and understand inscriptions that were written on this land, also your land, in turkey, in Egypt and the whole ancient Hellenistic world because my language is ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ….
      And frankly I’m very proud of it….Does this makes me Hellene? Yes my friend, it sure does…because I didn’t learn it at some language school…it was the first whisper of my mother and it will be the last words when I die…and as far back as I can go in my family tree I could not find one who did not have a Hellenic name or did not speak ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ….that’s all..

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:37 pm said:

      Hey Chris

      I made a mistake with the names? I see that is the only thing you may complain about, because all other about settlement of turks in Macedonia and “greek” genocide over Macedonians is true.

      And you don’t know the answer to the socrates – how are you caliming that it is normal not to be sure in anything (as per socrates), and immediatelly after that to be sure that Alexader was greek, even he died 2300 years ago????

      Aha… I will tell you one more thing before I go to slepp – I didn’t made a mistake with the names. I called you differently, just to show you the filling how it is when you change names, as you permanently do. Do you like it not to call you by your name?
      Is it good to make confusions????

      NO – then go to your country and enjoy being what you were told, and LEAVE US to be what we are told by our ancestors.

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 11:52 pm said:

      You can call me the Pope if you like…my comment was just for the reference and not to include the actual Stephen in the discussion…

      The sad thing is that although I was hoping to a dialogue with arguments, It seems that all I get is “rewinded tape” of monologues with no replies…. Of course this is what I should expect when there are either no arguments or maturity for a dialogue…

      Ok, got to bed, but tomorrow don’t forget to go to school!! And I mean a good school if any…

      Have a great teen hood…

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 12:18 am said:

      hey chris

      guess what — I am 45 years :)

      I have been in many schools, official and unofficial. Local and foreign universities. Including Sheffield one in Salonica.

      What you miss is that I use MY BRAIN, not only the schools. And I permanently research (unfortunately i don’t have much time, but there are long holidays in Greece :) to read many books, from all different aspects :))

      I answered everything – i think. You didn’t answer. Like the Socrates puzzle :) — if you know that you don’t know anything, how do you know that alexander the great macedonian was greek????

      But it is OK.

    • Chris on May 2, 2014 at 5:35 am said:

      Kalimera,

      I gave you an analysis about his name, how he was called and what his name means…and that’s a Greek langUage name….
      Need I say more?
      And you didn’t get what Socrates said. He meant that he’s in continuous search for the truth….humble and with no stereotypes . And that is a good advice for you too. And I too try to keep my mind open and read all sorts of credible sources.
      And my holidays are far less than yours dear friend, that I assure you of….

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 7:02 am said:

      The name – i told you many times before and after you mentioned it as “fact”. Please stop spamming with the origin of the name. It is irrelevant. Many Russian kings were named Alexander – were they greeks too?

      If russian tzars were greeks, just because of the name, then our (Macedonian) king was also greek.

      ***

      About Socrates – probably you don’t understand: if you should be under constant search for the turth, why are you fixed at “Alexander was greek” and “Macedonians are greeks”? You should know that you don’t know anything, INCLUDING your propagandad sentances. So please do not use quotes only where you want to apply them. Apply them on yourself too.

    • Stephen on May 2, 2014 at 2:37 pm said:

      Thank you all for your comments regarding my reference to Greek vs. “Slavic”. I stand corrected. However, no one mentioned the main reason for my post…the homophobic language used in comments. Again, it is unacceptable and has no place in this or any other forum.

    • Chris on May 3, 2014 at 11:36 am said:

      The name and it’s origin is irrelevant?????
      And you give as an example Russian kings 20 centuries after that name was initially used?????
      You are are severely brainwashed my friend…
      I totally and sincerely want I fair compromise to be achieved for today for the future but your goverment’s illusive fiascos dressing up people with chlamyds and ancient uniforms – at which the world I laughing about – just won’t let you see forward…

  35. Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 10:51 pm said:

    1. Who will make bone analysis?

    2. Why greeks (of today) do not make genetical research of genetical distance between people of Lerin (Macedonian town in the greek republic) and people of Bitola (free Macedonian republic). Because they will be close match (on the people which not settled from asia) and the distance between “greeks” of Lerin and “greeks” of athens will be much more apart

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 11:09 pm said:

      How can you talk about genetical identity in an area that is totally impure genetically speaking??? You’ve also been under ottoman rule for 500 years, you have far more Muslims that in Greece and you rely on reports performed only by “academics” of your country cause no one else in the world bothers…which makes their results at least “suspicious”…think about it….
      Btw do you follow CNN? Do you know what they say about your PM? The freedom in your country and how election results are manipulated in favor of VMRO? That the opposition did not accept the elected seats because of votes manipulation?
      I truly suggest you focus on these issues and become a positively thinking citizen of your country to contribute solving these first…

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:20 pm said:

      first of all – don’t go into religion – it is totally another subject. There are Macedonians who are Christians like me, but there are also Macedonians who are muslim. And on top of it – there are Macedonians who are atheists.

      second – you are talking about academic things, then you mention to follow CNN???? :) come on, even birds in Macedonia know that CNN is only propaganda. Is it the same CNN who invented weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

      our prime minister and his opposition – it is political battle i don’t care about. they are both puppets anyway of America. But their problems doesn’t make Alexander the Great anything else then pure Macedonian :)

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 1, 2014 at 11:26 pm said:

      And I left the most important point in separate post:

      You are telling me that we have been under ottoman rule for 500 years and because of that we are genetically impure? (which is oxymoron, because in genetics pure is BAD, mixing is good)

      OK – we are not genetically pure. So heare are my logical questions:

      1. Does it mean that we are also Macedonians, among other “unpurity”?
      1.a. We are dominantly Macedonians, even we have many other genes. Is it possible, because our ancestors said us that we are Macedonians?

      2. Greeks were also 500 years under turkish rule (some of them are pure turkish, like from Trabzon – east-northeast Turkey). If they are also genetically mixed, why are they more Macedonian??????????? So if they are not more Macedonian, WHAT GIVES them right to stop us from calling ourselfs, as we did for centuries ago?
      What gives them right to ruin our lifes based on genetics and history?

    • Chris on May 1, 2014 at 11:44 pm said:

      In Trabzon ‘s mountains ( and ΤΡΑΠΕΖΟΥΝΤΑ of the Byzantine empire of ΝΙΚΑΙΑ to you) they still speak ΠΟΝΤΙΑΚΑ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ For your information…and my great grand father fought the Turks during their revolt for independence. So I just forbid you to talk about things you don’t know…

      The majority of Modern ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ living in Greek Macedonia are not Macedonians with the geographical ancestry meaning. I hope you’re satisfied with this statement.

      The debate though, not ours but our governments’ is about the use of the term Macedonia.. As simple as that…

      You maybe also be descendants of Alex who got linguistically overtaken by the Slavs, I really have no problem with that….

      Btw, the clan of Alexander went to Pella from Argos, Peloponnese… I’m not saying that, Britannica does…

      So. It’s not about who you are…but whether you have the right to use the term Macedonia while 60% of the geographical Macedonia is in Greece….we propose a compromise like “north Macedonia” , you don’t agree….and that’s the problem…

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 12:04 am said:

      Chris — I am so sorry – you are not relevant to forbid me anything. not even trabzon :)
      I am free person, and if you speak about my origins, my history and my name, of course that it gives me right to speak about your origin, your history and your invented name.

      You are just settler from asia in Macedonia. So good proof of my FACT. Facts that can be proven with living people, not with 2500 year old myths and stories.

      As for the name dispute – it is not between governments. It is between ME and whoever supports that greek lying government. That greek government (that lied for 600 BILLION EUROS) lies about my national name. And it uses my name to hide their criminal. But that affects me – i can not invest where ever i want, i can not even travel free, i can not express free (even our national football team in Panini stickers has some offending letters FYR next to my national name Macedonia, while no other country has offending names in front of their).

      Finally – the number. You put it at 60%. I don’t agree too. Macedonia is where Macedonians live. In Salonica togay live greeks (people settled from asia minor and renamed to greeks), so it is not macedonia anynmore. it is now – greece. it might be region of macedonia (inside of greece), but it is NOT Macedonia. Macedonia is between Skopje and Gevgelija, where Macedonians live. That is 100% Macedonia of year 2014.

      And that number 60% is so irrelevant. Because the region of macedonia was MOVING, as Macedonians (my ancestors were moving, gaining or losing land). If you take last ottoman province of Macedonia (before in 1912 greece, serbia and bulgaria divided macedonia), then your occupied part is 50%, bulgarian is 8%, serbian was 40% (now it is my free country), and small parts are in Albania and even smaller in Kosovo and Serbia.

      If you talk about Macedonia, before Romans occupied it in 168 BC, then your today part is even less then 30%, because Macedonia was much larger and included albania, bigger parts of Bulgaria and Serbia. And when we talk about 168BC, we must stress that Romans were helped by the greeks – and why did greeks do that if that macedonians were greeks? To me it is totally illogical from today italy to attack macedonia from south, when it is much better from west (today albania) and north west (today montenegro and albania). it must be because greeks were helping romans?

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 12:11 am said:

      and the proposal “North Macedonia”.

      I like my country to start with letter M. I am used to it, SINCE I AM BORN.

      Personally, I may agree on “Macedonia, North”. Even it is not fair, it is good to go forward.

      But my government doesn’t like it, because they will lose importance. As greek government which doesn’t like to settle this invented problem.

      This is proove that neither our government nor your government are connected with alexander the great. because they are stuck in for 20+ years, and don’t go forward. Alexander just cut the knot in ONE DAY and conquered the WORLD.

      good night

    • Chris on May 2, 2014 at 12:22 am said:

      The difference is that I actually never spoke about your origins my friend and I fully respect people’s self identification… Apparently you don’t..
      And as for your counter proposal regarding the name, it’s fine with me…it’s a hard but rather fair compromise…

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 7:10 am said:

      Chris, when i say “you” i mean all of you. All your effects – in the United nations, in NATO in the EU parlament etc.

      Maybe personally you didn’t talk about my history, but you are greeks sure do. And it is humiliating. And you claim that you are christians, but you offend people. And instead of foregiving (lets say you are right about OUR name :) ) you are making more harm. Don’t do harm to your neighbour….

      Finally – your wikipedia (which is biased to greeks) links say that you have ~51% of Macedonia, NOT 60% as you personally mentioned. That gives me right to say that I was 9 times more correct then you, so you should belive me.

    • Greek on May 2, 2014 at 6:28 pm said:

      Macedonian for 2400 years, you just made my day man… :P

    • ion on May 2, 2014 at 8:48 pm said:

      Macedonian for 2400 years

      May I step in and remind you that the Slavs were also under Ottaman rule for as long as the Greeks were? Actually the Slavs were under Ottaman rule for some more decades, as the Greeks revolted against the Turks in 1821. What did the Slavs do at that time? Do you, by any chance, have an answer to this?

  36. David on May 2, 2014 at 12:15 am said:

    Recent DNA testing PROVE that MACEDONIANS lives in today Republic of Macedonia. The testing was done by independent third party. DNA cannot lie, so Macedonians in Republic of Macedonia does have FULL RIGHT to call them self MACEDONIANS!!!!

    • Greek on May 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm said:

      Nope, Macedonians is a Greek word…

    • David on May 4, 2014 at 2:56 am said:

      This is non sense!!! I talk about DNA, science!!! Every court in the world use DNA to prove the identity of the person. There is noting to do with Greek word or not.

      According your logic, why you recognizance United States of America as a independent state, since they have cities with Greek’s names like Attica, New York, Corinth in Kentucky, Parthenon, Arkansas, Marathon, New York, etc. Greek words?!?!?!? Something is wrong with your logic.

      Again, DNA PROVE that Macedonians lives in Republic of Macedonia, and they have a full rights to call them self Macedonians and the state to call it Republic of Macedonia. Period.

    • panicos panagi on May 23, 2014 at 12:55 pm said:

      and another thing for those who still insist when someone visits a country people usually see archeologial sites buildings palaces and other findings relating to their history- in fyrom what have you seen- have you seen anything of alexanders background -you need to read and learn serious people have knowledge and talk with facts not with information from nowhere-all you said is tragic and its wasted your time posting

  37. MACEDONIA FOREVER on May 2, 2014 at 7:59 am said:

    aleksandar is the macedonian king and So be it… aleksandar isn’t greek king he is macedonian king
    MACEDONIA FOREVER

  38. ile on May 2, 2014 at 8:53 am said:

    the north part of greece is stolen south land from macedonia with bukurest agreement ,so macedonian borders must be to town of larisa in greece all halkidiki and east grece to kavala to nea vrasna .THATs ALL TRUTH .grecee people msut recognize that one time and they must return the land to macedonia because people who lives in that region speak macedonian lenguage they have macedonian culture and belongs all to macedonian state . UNITED MACEDONIA. FOREVER MACEDONIA . Grecee is artificial state with various people from all over the world most of gypsis, araps and african melezis . FUCK THE GREEK.

  39. panos on May 2, 2014 at 10:25 am said:

    Nationalism has always been a very bad advisor in the minds of humans as is religion. The largest crimes in human history have been committed in the name of those two, exploited by selfish egomaniacs that drove humans to kill and hate each other just so that they could fulfill their twisted power games.
    That is why Alexander, King of all kings was not conquering lands and people. He was trying to conquer their hearts and minds so that they will overcome the narrow boundaries of nationalism and religion and progress into the future in peace by respecting each other and sharing and cultivating knowledge equally for all humans irrespective of their religion, ethnicity, colour of skin or language. That is why he built cities, respected local laws and customs, religions and language (even though he had to fight his way to do this)
    So do not confine this great man within the narrow boundaries of small minded bitterness and petty fights. Try to elevate yourselves above that and become the humans he has dreaming off. Citizens of this world respecting and loving eachother.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 10:54 am said:

      Panos

      Nationalism that greece does, and its devasting effect on macedonians is very BAD.

      On the other hand, Patriotism of the Macedonians to defend THEIR OWN name and their own territory is not a bad thing – it is the only possible thing.

      If Macedonians start to attack Greek name and Greek territory, that will be nationalism.

      And you may see the effects:
      - on macro level – greeks made a genocide over Macedonians in the past 100 years (with a peak in 1949 when 100.000 macedonians were expelled from their OWN HOMES in Voden (renamed to Edesa), Lerin, etc etc. whole south macedonia.
      - on micro level – where greeks are stealing macedonian car plates in hundreds of cases every year.

      on the contrary:
      - macedonians didn’t killed any greek in the past 100 years
      - no greek car plates were stollen in macedonia

      yes – greek nationalism is VERY BAD THINIG. It is not the same as Macedonian Patriotism.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 11:07 am said:

      nationalism will be the following sentence:

      “Tesalia was part of Macedonia for a long time, Volos peninsula has the name of old macedonian God Volos (city of Veles in Republic of Macedonia, monutain of Velez in herzegovina, city of Velenje in Republic of Slovenia, village of velestovo in the ohrid region in macedonia…), THUS we must take back Volos”

      that is propaganda and that is nationalism.

      I don’t say that. Volos is now in Greece and as long as people of Tessaly want to live with greeks and to be called greeks, it is THEIR RIGHT.

      But to say that Skopje is Macedonia, while somebody says Skopje is not macedonia, that is not nationalism. That is just patriotism to protect our own country. Not to attack other, like greeks are attacking macedonia, and devasting it (economically, democratic parts (there are proven bribes and attepts to bribe macedonian politicians by the greeks), human part, human right on self recognition (it is in the chapters of UN, not without a reason – because just 80 years ago, there were people who were telling to african american people that their origin is from monkeys, like you do now to us)…

      Unlikcky for greeks, this problems they make to macedonia are repeating on them even more. So we all lose, because of mad megali greek ideas. greeks most.

      i know times, just 30 years ago, when Serbs were the most right and owner of everything. i think that is what is going to happen to the next hegemon here – greece.

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  41. RYTT on May 2, 2014 at 11:43 am said:

    for ios reed history dont listen politic

    The great Athenian orator Demosthenes, already in 351 BC delivered the first of his Philippics, a series of speeches warning the Greeks about the Macedonian menace to Greek liberty. His Philippics (the second in 344 BC, the third in 341 BC) and his three Olynthiacs (349 BC, in which he urged aid for Olynthus against Philip), were all directed in arousing Greece against the foreign conqueror. In the third of the Philippics, which is considered the finest of his orations, the great Athenian statesman spoke of Philip II as of:

    “not only no Greek, nor related to the Greeks, but not even a barbarian from any place that can be named with honors, but a pestilent knave from Macedonia, whence it was never yet possible to buy a decent slave” (Third Philippic, 31)

    These words echo the fact that the ancient Greeks regarded the ancient Macedonians as dangerous neighbors, never as kinsmen. They viewed them and their kings as barbarians (non-Greeks), a manner in which they treated all non-Greeks. Long before Philip II, the ancient Greek historian Herodotus, related how the Macedonian king Alexander I (498-454 BC), the Philhellene, that is “a friend of the Greeks” and naturally a non-Greek, wanted to take a part in the Olympic games. The Greek athletes protested, saying they would not run with a barbarian. Historian Thucydides also considered the Macedonians as barbarians and Thracymachus explicitly referred to the Macedonian king Archelaus (413-399 BC) as barbarian.

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  43. Yannis on May 2, 2014 at 12:00 pm said:

    You stupid and miserable Skopians. the more you claim our ancient tribe ancestry, the harder will it be for you to join EU and the more you will suffer living in poverty and far worse corruption. You have got what you deserve. Never in the global history was such an attempt to steal history and ancestry. Even the Chinese Emperor Qin Shi Huang, who ordered the burning of all philosophy books and history books frodid not manage to conceal the true facts, you think that the whole world is stupud enough to be believe someone coming after 900 years, speaking a differenct language to be ancestor of Macedonians? you are so pathetic, we should not even deal with you!

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:21 pm said:

      you are not ancient tribe. you are current tribe with a mentality of tribes and mythological stories.

      we live in the present :) hard for you….

  44. 'Ελληνας on May 2, 2014 at 1:45 pm said:

    If Alexander the Great was not Greek, why did the Greeks build the Philippeion in the Altis of Olympia which was an Ionic circular memorial in limestone and marble, which contained chryselephantine (ivory and gold) statues of Philip’s family; himself, Alexander the Great, Olympias, Amyntas III and Eurydice I. It was made by the Athenian sculptor Leochares in celebration of Philip’s victory at the battle of Chaeronea (338 BC). It was the only structure inside the Altis dedicated to a human.

    Greeks build monuments for Greeks not Slav(e)s.

    Aristotle was born in 384 BCE in Stagira, Chalcidice, about 55 km (34 miles) east of modern-day Thessaloniki.
    How is that possible that Aristotle that was born north from Macedonia and was Greek and Alexander that was born south from Aristotle was not?????

    According to you Aristotle taught him Greek????
    Aristotle was his mentor he did not teach him Greek, he taught him how to think

    Get your facts together and be proud of the fact that you do not have history, Don’t try and steal ours.

    Your History is being Slaves. Get used to it!

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:26 pm said:

      You wrote: “Your History is being Slaves. Get used to it!”…
      Simple humiliating…. lol
      But it doesn’t humilate me, it only talks about you and your mental status of LOSER !!!

      This is sign of losing by arguments.

      This is sign of nationalism which is going to be loser’s nationalism (like Miloshevich in late 1980s and early 1990s)

      This is sign of WEAKNESS :)

    • ´Ελληνας on May 2, 2014 at 10:09 pm said:

      You did not actually challenge any of the top arguments, you just reacted on the last comment which was also truth.

      You don’t know anything about history I have been reading all the above comments and you are simply brainwashed. Try some independent research. Read the Greek historians.

      You have no one to refer to and you are trying to take Alexander

      The root is Greek accept it…

      Πως Έλληνες είναι αυτοί οι απόγονοι του Περδίκκα, όπως λένε κι οι ίδιοι, κι εγώ προσωπικά είμαι σε θέση να το ξέρω, αλλά στη συνέχεια της ιστορίας μου θα αποδείξω πως είναι Έλληνες και επιπλέον και οι οργανωτές των αγώνων των Ελλήνων που γίνονται στην Ολυμπία αυτή την απόφαση έβγαλαν. Γιατί, όταν ο Αλέξανδρος, πήρε την απόφαση να πάρει μέρος στους Ολυμπιακούς αγώνες και κατέβηκε γι αυτό το σκοπό, οι Έλληνες που ήταν αντίπαλοί του σε αγώνα δρόμου ήθελαν να τον αποκλείσουν με τον ισχυρισμό πως ο αγώνας δεν είναι για βάρβαρους αθλητές, αλλά για Έλληνες. Κι ο Αλέξανδρος, επειδή απέδειξε πως η καταγωγή του ήταν από το Άργος κι οι κριτές παραδέχτηκαν πως είναι Έλληνας, πήρε μέρος στο αγώνισμα δρόμου ενός σταδίου και τερμάτισε στον ίδιο χρόνο με τον πρώτο. (Ηρόδοτος Ε 17-22)

  45. Αλεξανδρος on May 2, 2014 at 3:08 pm said:

    first there was Yugoslavia, then there was war…and then some people needed identity to control a nation of bastard ….a nation of Albanian,Bulgarian,and former Yugoslavian people.They needed identity, something to believe ,what was there in the past? ancient Macedonia , so they called themselves “Mecedonians” , im greek living in macedonia, in greek macedonia, my name is Alexandros and my home is 30klm away from where Alexandros the great was living . Those are facts end of story

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:29 pm said:

      noooooo…. first there were greeks !!!

      you know the ones who posses ALL HISTORY. then came amoebas. the rest is evolution.

      the only problem is that “greeks” are on the same level through out the whole evolution. close to amoebas…

    • Greek on May 3, 2014 at 10:40 pm said:

      Dude, we never believed that. Only few Greeks believe that and they are often of low educational background. And when we refer to what your cultural origins and nation in general, comes from, aka Slavic descent and Bulgaria and Yugoslavia we don’t mean anything bad. In fact as I have mentioned you should be proud. Our problem isn’t with who you are, but with what you had been brainwashed to believe that you are… And you are great people anyways, if you put aside this absurd dispute…

  46. Γιώργος on May 2, 2014 at 3:18 pm said:

    Αλέξω+ανήρ= Αλέξανδρος, αυτός που αποκρούει τους άνδρες. Όπως λέμε αλεξικέραυνο, αλεξίσφαιρο κλπ

    Φιλώ+Ίππος= Φίλιππος, αυτός που αγαπάει τα άλογα. Οπως λέμε φιλόσοφος, φιλόλογος κλπ.

    Οταν ερμηνευσετε τα ονόματα στη σλαβική σας γλώσσα, χαλάλι σας και ο Αλέξανδρος και η Μακεδονία ( εκ του μακεδνός=Ψηλός). Άντε γεια στην πλάνη σας.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:31 pm said:

      Karamanlis: Kara (without on Japanese) + Manly (with male atributes)

      Karamanlis = without manly atrubutes (fagot?)

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  48. Jim on May 2, 2014 at 5:18 pm said:

    He was Macedonian and Macedonian only !. Greece is new colony made in 19 & 20 century ! Term Greece or Greek didnt existed in 3cent BC. Those nations and states had its own names and identity. Spartans ,Athenians ,Thebans etc they were not Greeks they didnt call them selves Greek! And present Greeks have no blood or DNA relations with those people. Macedonians were just Macedonians and they concurred the city states of ancient world and ruled them.Ancient Macedonians share the same DNA with modern Macedonians within Macedonian Republic and Aegean province of Macedonia, parts of Bulgaria Serbia Kosovo and Albania. Modern Greek state is independent since 1975 ,before that it was ruled by Danish Vice royal Dynasty,since 1863. Before that it was ruled by colonial German King. The Danish king stepped down from the tron in 1974, the official language in Greece is Dimotiki (not Greek) which is Esperanto combination of middle eastern northern African Arabic and some Macedonian words. The alphabet is modified Macedonian letter, the religion is Macedonian Christian ,the flag is colonial Danish and the emblem is colonial Danish Cross. The tomb and the body will remain in Egypt as were it belongs ,Alexander ruled Egypt as Macedonian land it was part of the Macedonian Empire , Alexandria was his capital built from the natch. So nobody will take it or remove it anywhere but Alexandria, but the whole world knows that he was and always will be Macedonian!

    • Greek on May 2, 2014 at 6:07 pm said:

      Are you serious??? The term exists since B.C. It is written in texts of great philosophers and the descriptions of the Persian during the Persian war. Nonetheless, the fact that we suffered so much and still summon in our face the characteristics that define us as the descendants of Ancient Greeks, means that we are a nation of strong tradition and spirit. Just give me a break. What you are saying isn’t wrong, but it is like saying that because the Scottish were under British rule for some centuries, they stopped being Scottish.

    • Show me that written stone where it says Greek? Such thing dont exist ,everywhere is written only Macedonia and Macedonian nothing else. And what does Scottish has to do with anything here ? British is term for the whole Island including Scots , what are you talking about ? Danes Normans Saxons and others ruled the British Island, so what? Greece is a new country existing since 1975 ,its a new nation,it didnt existed before 1975.It was a colony with foreign colonial Danish Royal Family. It was made on small peninsula of Attica in the 19th cent. Most of the people were brought from middle east and northern Africa in the end of the 19 and begging of the 20th cent. The language was made in 1976 its called Dimotiki not (Greek)its a mixture od arabic northern african middle eastern dialects mostly. Modern Greeks dont have any DNA connection with the ancient Athenians Thebans Spartans etc and those ancient city states didnt call themselves as Greek ,never they called them selves Spartans Athenians Thebans and nothing else. Find me the text pottery ceramics , or coin or any artifact with the word Greek or Greece please I want to see it !

    • Greek on May 3, 2014 at 11:39 pm said:

      Jim, at last I found someone I can talk to. Here is the thing, term Greece never existed because today’s Greece was composed of several Greek kingdoms. Historians even gave the term Big Greece, in order to describe the strength of Greek colonies from south of Spain, to Crimea, North Africa and today’s Holly Lands. However, these kingdoms (Macedonia, Athens, Sparta, Thebes, Argos and about a hundred others) even though in constant war against each other, acknowledged the fact that they had common origins, common religion, common written language and in cases of outside invasion they would become allies. (In battle of Thermopylae fro example about 1000 soldiers were summoned out of which 300 stayed till the end not for Sparta obviously but for the shake of the rest of Greeks that had not yet been enslaved, if it had been for Sparta, the conditions of the battle would have been different).The term Greeks existed as an entity even a bit before the Persian wars and I am sorry that I don’t have the means in order to prove that to you. You can find however the words of a Aristotle to Alexander saying to him that he should unite the Greeks against the Persians and that is more accurately one of the first appearances of the term. Dimotiki is a Greek dialect whose origins is way before 1970s, even as long as during the Turkish occupation in Greek lands. It is just that it wasn’t quickly accepted for the country’s official documents. Now, my turn to ask you to google the word nation and find out whether there is any genetics involved in it. If it did no one would be able to say that he actually belongs to a nation. There were different characteristics even between Spartans and Athenians for God’s sake. Our first King was Danish and he brought with him some hundreds followers. It was the Greeks that ruled Greece, created its constitution. That king was there only to make sure that Greeks were “behaving”. This doesn’t make Greece colony of anybody. I’m sorry for the British! I meant English and this way it does make perfect sense! The Greeks have been a nation that due to its geography had to get in touch with many others, who took a lot and also left their mark! However, the language and many traditions were left almost intact and I can tell you that right now I am able to read Ancient Greek with the same comfort as the Dimotiki. To conclude, I would like to say that if the ancient Macedonians had no connection with Ancient Greeks (something that only an illiterate would be able to believe) and in turn Ancient Greeks no connection with Modern Greeks, the FYROMians (because this is still the official name of the country) would have NOTHING to do with Ancient Macedonians. About 3/4 of ancient Macedonia lies in Greek soil. The rest dispersed in Bulgaria and FYROM. Why don’t the Bulgarians also claim that heritage part of their long standing history? If Macedonians weren’t Greeks, why is the tomb of Fillip II decorated only with Greek language inscriptions (I have been there). King of Egypt is only one title he possessed, he was basically King of the known world and same ceremonies were carried out for every kingdom he conquered. He was indeed crowned Farao and after his death, Egypt passed to Ptolemeos, the last of whose reign was Cleopatra (that’s why she has a Greek name). You know that Aristotle was Macedonian too. Tell me, was Aristotle Greek enough for you?

      PS: Thank you for knowing more history than most others in this blog did. Regardless of the flaws, it makes me feel better. Really! Much appreciated!

    • theodora on May 4, 2014 at 6:52 pm said:

      Please study some history!!! You are tragic!!!! hahahahahahahah!!!!!

    • Greek on May 4, 2014 at 9:07 pm said:

      No, he actually did present some arguments. I haven’t been used to that…

  49. tpap on May 2, 2014 at 5:46 pm said:

    The language that you speak and the education you take makes you what you are. Especially when you speak the greek language which carries a cosmotheory itself and it is not a simple way of communication. Greek language and its cultural effects is a living organisation for 3000 years. Never stoped been spoken and written. The nations are an ivnention of the 16 and 17 century and you try to understand the past with these terms or in terms of dna? So stupid.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:34 pm said:

      only 3000 years of no change?

      is it the dead end of the evolution? are you retarded???

      macedonian language changes. it even changed since i was born in 1960s. english too (hardware is not hardware anymore).

      but greek stay the same for 3000 years????
      or it is just propaganda invention?

    • tpap on May 3, 2014 at 9:30 am said:

      when I say “living organisation” you understand that it is the same? Obviously modern greek is its evolution.
      I will not call you retarted. Just victim of propaganda and result of the american policies.

  50. macedonian on May 2, 2014 at 6:52 pm said:

    HE IS MACEDONIAN AS ME MAYBE HIS MOTHER WAS GREEK BUT HE IS MACEDONIAN . HE DID NOT LIKE TO BE CALLED THE GREAT HE SIMPLY ASK TO BE CALLED ALEXANDER MACEDONIAN III . READ HISTORY MORE , WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THAT GREEKS ( PERSIANS , INDIANS ETC. IS WHERE ARE YOU FROM ) WHOLE WORLD KNOWS WHO YOU ARE YOU ARE MURDERESS RAPES TIFFS WHO RUN AWAY FROM THOSE COUNTRY’S . THAT IS A BIG FACT TOLD FROM WORLD`S BIGGEST ARCHEOLOGISTS AND THAT YOU REMAIN ONLY TIFFS WHO STOLE LAND FROM OTHERS ! YOU WILL SEE TIME WILL SHOW YOUR FACE YOU WILL BE ALL THAT YOU ARE TIFFS , YOUR INTERESTS ARE MONEY AND LAND AS ALWAYS

    • macedonian on May 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm said:

      SPARTANS ARE ALSO MACEDONIAN KIDS TAKEN FROM GREEK ARMY AND TRAIN FOR ONLY ONE PER PUS TO FIGHT MACEDONIAN SOLDERS YOUR BIGGEST ENEMY AT THAT TIME TO NOW ! YOUR DIRTY MIND`S ARE EVIL WHOLE YOUR HISTORY IS WRITTEN WITH BLOOD OF TREASON DECEPTIONS ITS SHAME TO CLAM SOMETHING THAT DOSE NOT BELONG TO YOU!

    • macedonian on May 2, 2014 at 7:13 pm said:

      I wanna ask Greeks something :
      1.When Greece rule Macedonian territory and when time from when to when ?

      here is your answer NEVER .

      2.Why did Greeks fight under Macedonian Flag in time of Alexander the Great ?

      here is your Answer BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF US.

      3.Are You Relay Ancient Macedonians ?

      NO YOUR NOT .

      Here is prof : http://www.igenea.com you will find origins of whole Balkan and Europe

    • Alexandra on May 4, 2014 at 4:44 pm said:

      if you want to be macedonian, then you are greek too. I welcome you to our greek family my friend!

  51. AKADIMOS on May 2, 2014 at 8:17 pm said:

    Leonidas the Spartan, Themistocles the Athenean, Alexander the Macedonian… they were all Greeks.

    If the citizens of the country known as Fyrom want to be Macedonians at least they should abolish the slavic language and learn greek. In this case, I wouldn’t mind giving them greek citizenship. They are cool people otherwise.

    • Macedonian for 2400 years :) on May 2, 2014 at 9:38 pm said:

      we are cool ANYWAY :)

      we save you when you were in crisis, even you made the crisis for you and for us.

      start thinking positive, and you will not have anyproblem. when the capital of the balkans is in Macedonia, BALKAN rules the world.

      when it is divided between istanbul, athens, belgrade, buchurest, sofia …. we are all losers.

    • AKADIMOS on May 3, 2014 at 7:53 pm said:

      Good point sir.

      United balcans with Capital in Thessaloniki and main official language being the Greek as in the ancient times?

      I agree.

      In this case, how long will it take for you to claim to be Greek?

      Have in mind that ancient Greeks claimed that Greeks (Hellenes) are the ones having Hellene education. That was the key point in expanding the Hellenic civilization in the whole known world. An enormous hellenic tradition combined with hellenic values transformed the world.

      Piece of cake to transform a slavic speaking ethnic group in the north of Greece.

  52. Alex on May 2, 2014 at 9:48 pm said:

    Poor poor people of Greace..your country is bankrupt, your economy depends on the handouts and charity of the rest of the Europe and FYROM turist are the ones who keep your Macedonia/Thessalonica alive ..and you are still propagating the Hellenistic culture. That is history as is your country and nation…the winds of change are sweeping and new order is just around the corner…have alook what Reneisance is going in Republic Of Makedonia..Reneisance not Austerity..whilst you demonstrate for bred ..they are building temples, churches, museums, motorways ..Catena Mundi.

    • tpap on May 3, 2014 at 9:35 am said:

      poor in money. never poor in mind. See the world with your own eyes. Not with others. You are wrongly informed about Greece. Stop watching TV

    • Alexandra on May 4, 2014 at 4:40 pm said:

      are you taking something? …. are you drunk?

  53. Darko S. on May 2, 2014 at 11:45 pm said:

    I just want to say something about Alexander The Great.
    He was Alexander III the King of Macedon.
    Macedon was a land where lived people who were not Greeks, they were Macedonians. The Greeks were living in the south of Greece, in Athens. There is a difference, but no one wants to really know the truth. The Macedonians are different people from greeks, and they have nothing common with the slavs, slavs were the people that occupied the modern territory of Balkan, and gave the people modern slavic names(like in Greece, where the names of the cities were changed, why? because they were not greek, but an old original Macedonian names, that’s why the modern greeks changed the names of their cities). But the truth is that the people(most of them) in the territory of modern Macedonia and north Greece are Macedonians. Even in the era of Ancient Macedonia and Greece, they were there, they belong to their territory, not Greeks, but Macedonians. That’s why it is called Macedonia, not Greece, it’s different, it’s not a province, but a specific land of specific people.
    Alexander was born in Pela, in territory of Macedonia, he spoke to his people not on greek language, but on specific language that the real greeks didn’t understand, and he wanted that whole territory of Macedon and Greece to belong to the MACEDONIA. That’s why his empire was called Macedonia, he was the III King of Macedon, not Greece, not Egypt. His land of Macedonians was not a province, but the biggest EMPIRE in the world, and he was the King of that empire called Macedonia!
    You, the people of Greece, should know this, and should not say that he was Greek, because he wasn’t, only you say that. Nowhere in the history was written that he was Greek, only Macedonian.
    He was a man who was beloved all around the world, and wanted the people of the whole world to be together.
    So, the truth is that, today most of the people think that Macedonia was only a province of Greece in the era of Alexander, and that is all, for the world, there are no Macedonians today… No, that’s not the truth!
    If there are no Macedonians, than there are no Greeks either.
    In the era of Alexander, there wasn’t a province. Macedonia was a land of Macedonians, Greece was a land of Greeks occupied by Alexander, and belonged to the Great Macedonian Empire!!
    Alexander III the King of Macedon, belong to Macedonia!!!

    • tpap on May 3, 2014 at 9:50 am said:

      You make a terrible mistake trying to understand the past in terms of modern nations and today’s borders.

    • Greek on May 5, 2014 at 3:48 pm said:

      Greeks lived from south of Spain, south of France (Marseille-Greek name, Greek-founded), North Africa, coasts of Italy and entire Sicily, coasts of Croatia, Crimea, Byzantium (aka Instabul – Constantinople), today’s Holly Lands, entire coastline on Middle East. The power of the Greek colonies was named Great Greece, by the historians. Their spirit and endeavors were established firmly and changed the mentality of the so called “Known World” after Alexander the Great reached India.

    • Greek on May 5, 2014 at 4:12 pm said:

      Furthermore, FYROMians definitely have nothing to do with Macedonians, since their language is COMPLETELY different from Ancient Greek and haven’t kept any of their traditions. Opposite to what applies for modern Greeks, Ancient Greeks (Athenians, Korinthians, Spartans, Cretans, Macedonians, Thracians …………) and ancient Macedonians. And because this is absurd, you grandfather, 40 years ago didn’t even know the existence of Ancient Macedonians and who Alexander the Great and Fillip II was, whereas my great grandfather won war against 2 nations in order for 3/5 of ancient Macedonian territory to belong to today’s Greece and for him to be called Macedonian.

  54. Ελληνας on May 3, 2014 at 8:49 am said:

    City states you retarted wannabe Macedonians
    Learn about this. Hellas was full of city states Athenians, Spartans, Macedonians etc.
    Macedonia was part of Greece and always will be.

    You have no history….. Accept it
    Move on…

    • You are super retarded. They were city states and nothing else. They called themselves Spartans Athenians Thebans etc but never Greek in that time that word didnt existed. Those ancient people from the city states have no DNA nor Blood relation with the present of todays Greece. Greece is invented in 19 cent and it was German and Danish Colony till 1975 ruled by Danish Colonial Family. Official language is Dimotiki not Greek, its Esperanto of middle eastern and northern african dialects and the letter is modified version of the Macedonian letter. Your newly made nation is modified in 20th cent, and you have no relation with the ancient world. You can look for your roots and history in southern Arabian peninsula and south eastern Africa ,not in Ancient Macedonia!

    • 'Ελληνας on May 7, 2014 at 1:53 pm said:

      you monkey,
      the word Greek is the english word.
      We used Ελληνες

      You are confused! but i understand

  55. Stephen on May 3, 2014 at 3:36 pm said:

    Mark Niko…yet more homophobic comment! Its not bad enough that this commentary has turned into a “pissing contest” of who is what, name calling and general mean-spirited attempts to convince each other of what is or is not the case with reference to nationality, but you and others have to muddy the conversation with nasty slurs as well. The article which started this all was about a find that will benefit all mankind and enrich all who follow the developments that will follow. Now, stop the bickering and refrain from the gutter talk. You will never convince each other and the discussion has become a morass of opinions and certainly has lost any intellectual validity it might have had. Enough said!

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  57. Filip on May 3, 2014 at 8:02 pm said:

    Just play age of empires , a game from microsoft, there is to select a civilization, called MACEDONIA.
    US goverment recognize us like MACEDONIA.
    the end.
    I think u greek are no mather then USA.

    • Alexandra on May 4, 2014 at 4:32 pm said:

      Filip your name is greek, and it means the one who love horses! :) welcome to our greek family! if you want to speak yourself as a Macedonian , then you are greek too ! :)

  58. Stephen on May 3, 2014 at 10:20 pm said:

    Point taken, AKADIMOS! And a wonderful little video. Made me smile :)

  59. Vardarska on May 3, 2014 at 11:08 pm said:

    I speak a slavic language and write in cyrillic but i claim to be a descendant of Alexander, although it’s a Greek name.

    The Αthenians, the Achaeans, the Macedonians, the Spartans…, all of them were speaking Greek, had the same Gods, and were part of the greek territory.

    It doesn’t matter if they never found any sign of cyrillic epigraphs in the BC period. And how could that be possible since this alphabet was created a thousand years after by….emmm…. 2 Greek brothers.

    I don’t care!! Mr Sorros who is the primal financier of my country (that i stole from the Greeks) told me that i am a descendant.

    Ougk ougk..I am a monkeydonian!!

    • 'Ελληνας on May 7, 2014 at 1:50 pm said:

      I am glad you know this!!

      for the rest, please read and learn!!!

      Cyril and Methodius (Greek: Κύριλλος καὶ Μεθόδιος, Old Church Slavonic: Кѷриллъ и Меѳодїи[more]) were 9th-century Byzantine Greek brothers born in Thessalonica, Greek Macedonia, in the Byzantine Empire. They were the principal Christian missionaries among the Slavic peoples of the Great Moravia and Pannonia, introducing Orthodox Christianity and writing to the hitherto illiterate, pagan Slav migrants into parts of Macedonia and elsewhere in the Balkans.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Through their work they influenced the cultural development of all Slavs, for which they received the title “Apostles to the Slavs”. They are credited with devising the Glagolitic alphabet, the first alphabet used to transcribe Old Church Slavonic.[11] After their deaths, their pupils continued their missionary work among other Slavs. Both brothers are venerated in the Orthodox Church as saints with the title of “equal-to-apostles”. In 1880, Pope Leo XIII introduced their feast into the calendar of the Roman Catholic Church. In 1980, Pope John Paul II declared them co-patron saints of Europe, together with Benedict of Nursia.[12]

  60. AKADIMOS on May 4, 2014 at 9:39 am said:

    «Αλέξανδρος Φιλίππου και οι Έλληνες πλην Λακεδαιμονίων από των βαρβάρων των την Ασίαν κατοικούντων»,
    is written in a script that Alexander sent to Athens after a victorious battle against persians along with along with a donation of 300 Persian armours.

    Every greek understands it. Is says: Alexander of Philip with the Greeks (Hellenes) except Lakedemonians (Spartans) from the Barbaric lands of Asia…

    When Alexander calls himself Hellene (Greek) and the Macedonians as Greeks, why do we discuss about his origin 2400 years later?

  61. Niko on May 4, 2014 at 10:17 am said:

    stop to nazionalism and razism, we are all brothers, macedonians, greeks, slavs, albanians, etc etc. we all share the cultural heritage of the ancient people that lived in the haemus, balkan peninsula. we should collaborate for better philosophical-anthropological approach to historic-cultural research.
    peace

  62. Andy on May 4, 2014 at 12:58 pm said:

    In this sea of comments and fanatism, I doubt if I will be read but hear goes it.
    I am greek, speak greek and honored to be greek.
    I hope I am 100% descendant of Pericles but I doubt it.
    I am sure I have DNA traces of other proud and honorable traces and I am still greek.
    After all ancient Greeks did believe that greek was whoever had a greek education and bearing.
    As for Alexander the Great, it will be amazing if the tomb of a great historical figure for nations from Greece to India is found. This will be owned by humanity guys and girls and alexander himself fought to be seen as a cross-national leader rather than just greek (his historical saying).
    As for fyrom, Macedonia or whatever, you do have the right to be called as you like (also greater Albania, vardar republic or France ). It is sad when a nation adopts someone else s history (as for my greek compatriots, if you take out the existential/political threat which I believe we can handle, it is quite flattering). By the way, Balkan friends of all nationalities, do realize, only the last 70-100 years ie 4 generations, we have borders and nationalities separating us. Be it Ottoman Empire, byzance, Rome or the epigons states, we were all nations in one geographical pot for 2500 years (ok, the slavs and Bulgars for the last 1500) Stay calm and cross fingers that the polish archeologists bring a miracle during our lifetime.

  63. theodora on May 4, 2014 at 6:47 pm said:

    It is really trgic, when in the 21th century some slavic people believe that they have any connection to Alexander thr Great!!!
    I am an archaeologist in Vergina and Pella in the north part of Greece and I think that it is ridiculous to say that Alexander the Great is not greek. He was Greek and he was speaking greek!
    Slavic people, you can say anything you want, but your country is artificial and you have nothing to do with Alexander the Great. Find another “hero’ for your “country”…

    • panicos panagi on May 8, 2014 at 7:55 pm said:

      i agree with you and i am a writer journalist[freelance]in cyprus -read my articles i have posted in these and i support what you say -i will be very glad to exchange information with you since we share the same thoughts and like the subject and we have also spent time to study and read on the subject

  64. All these stupid comments are enteratining, but how many are actually about Alexander and his legacy? From what I know of him, he'd be disgusted at the stupid nationalism on display. on May 4, 2014 at 8:01 pm said:

    All these stupid comments are entertaining enough (like watching a car crash), but how many people are actually talking about Alexander and what this story could mean for history? From what I know of him, he’d be disgusted at the stupid nationalism on display.

  65. William on May 5, 2014 at 9:24 am said:

    Ancient Macedon was in fact Hellenic. Of that there is little doubt. It was founded in about 650 BC by Perdiccas of Argos and the ruling family (including Phillip and Alexander) were called the Argeads ( the people from Argos). The name Macedon is from an ancient Greek word meaning “Highlanders” and the Ancient Greeks considered them to be Hellenes all be it uncouth ones. They were in fact treated as “Hillbillys” by the City States to the south and along the Ionian coast. The Macedonians who inhabited the plains were of pure Hellenic stock but during the time of Alexander the 1st they expanded north into the highlands where they mixed with the independent Macedonian Lyncestrae and Elmiotae tribes and mixed with or displaced the non Macedonian Paeonians, Illyrians and Thracians among others. These tough Highlanders of mixed blood (Phillip called them knots)would later form the core of Phillip’s devastating phalanx infantry while the lowland Macedonians became his peerless Cavalry, the so called “Companions”. The Macedonians spoke a colloquial form of Doric Greek though in the highlands it was often adulterated by the addition of other regional and tribal languages.

  66. panicos on May 5, 2014 at 4:23 pm said:

    I have been studying reading and collecting different information concerning alexander the great for twenty years his battles where he grew up and let me tell you something because i have seen a lot of comments and things people have no correct picture who was alexander please read and learn and then you post a comment because a lot of things you argue have no true meaning of the real facts-Alexanders mother was greek his father beleived in the greek gods and was macedonian- greek states had battles against each other state until macedonia united them all and invaded persia and went further on to far india-alexander spoke the greek lunguage and his father got aristotelis the greek philosopher to teach him greek-now his army was a multinational army who were proffesionals and well trained only to fight battles-now if alexander was greek i have no doubt and i have also no doubt because his palace was in greece in macedonia area-as for the the titles given to him when they crowned him pharaoh they did it for respect and this wont change his nationality or his country of origin -alexander is greek like his parents whatever is said -and the greatest general at war of all times who never lost a battle and who always won battles with less soldiers on his side -2000 years ahead in battle fields and another thing need to say greece gave the world the following -democracy -music-algebra-mathematics physics theaters even the stars and the planets have greek names the centre of the world was greeece at that time and the leader of the greek united states at that time was alexander the great and that you can not erase it with paint or teepex or with what you say you need to read before you talk ,

    • panicos panagi on May 8, 2014 at 7:30 pm said:

      keep politics out of these especially those from fyrom-macedonia is in greece not fyrom read to learn before you talk and find another king and hero to worship -alexander was the king and general of the united states of greece something he beleived and fought all his life and used the greek tactics of war and improoved them in battle not the slavic ways of war-so i agree with theodora find another hero

  67. Marwa-Egyptian on May 5, 2014 at 4:32 pm said:

    Keep Calm guys :D
    i’m from Alexandria and if this excavation is true it will be the discovery of the century!!!
    we have to be happy why you are fighting here :D
    it is obvious that Alexander the Great was Macedonian, but Macedonia was a normal a greek city state!! like Athens like Sparta :D
    Alexander the great fought to spread the Hellenic language, culture and Religion!!
    So the idiots only who say that Alexander the Great wasn’t Greek :P :P

    • panicos panagi on May 8, 2014 at 7:48 pm said:

      nobody said that there is possibility alexander was buried in egypt because his general ptolemeos head of his personal guard took responsibility and carried his body from persia to alexandria to burry it-ptolemeos was the leader of alexandria egypt and became pharaoh -the point here in the comments people say and write is that alexander is something it belongs to them but they have no solid background and solid proof to support their comments-they do it for politics and not for any other reason-and there too many uneducated people and people who have no studies or research in this field-lets wait and see the true is out there we will know soon or after with the findings-be patient and cool down

  68. David on May 5, 2014 at 9:04 pm said:

    This is fascinating-thanks for posting it, professor. Too bad it deteriorated into politics. Does it normally take very long to get a DNA reading, and how accurate can it expected to be, given the time lapse? (2,300 years-!)But what a day it will be if DNA confirms the claims-it will be the biggest breakthrough since Schliemann at Troy. I am not Greek, I am Phil-Hellene, and I am constantly amazed at how these dazzling remnants of the classical world keep appearing-the past isn’t dead by any means.

  69. Jose Pina on May 6, 2014 at 4:32 am said:

    Dr.. your comments are right on!. I just hope they have found it!

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  71. John on May 7, 2014 at 10:25 pm said:

    Proof of Macedonian Ethnicity found on Alexander’s Tomb!

    Reports from the excavation site say that the tomb is finely decorated with Macedonian Pikemen doing what is commonly known as the “Slavic-Squat”.

    Squatting is a posture where the weight of the body is on the feet (as with standing) but the knees are bent either fully (full or deep squat) or partially (partial, standing, half, semi, parallel or monkey squat).

    Professor Adams, who is leading the expedition, had this to say: “There is no doubt about it, these carvings of soldiers are clearly Alexanders bodyguards accompanying him in the after life. Well, since that’s a pretty long amount of time, his bodyguards need to be comfortable, and that is why the artists chose to depict them as squatting.”

    When asked about whether this means Alexander was not Greek:
    “Clearly! The squatting position is a distinctive ethnic characteristic of the Slavic people. It’s really touching, as it bridges the ancient with the modern world. I can imagine Alexander today, not much different from your ordinary macedonian slav, wearing Adidas tracksuits, drinking ракија, and of course, squatting in a corner somewhere with his buddies. A beautiful image!”

  72. panicos panagi on May 13, 2014 at 2:41 pm said:

    there is a difference between claiming or trying to say you have a macedonian background from the FYROM REPUPLIC- WELL ONE THING TO SAY MACEDONIA IS IN GREECE the macedonians were part of the united states of greece army general was alexander who was the leader of greece his palace is in greece and everything connected on his background is in greece so nothing can convince anybody about something different exists -the reason you are doing and claiming that alexander was slavic is political and as i said on my previous posts you read first and then you write your comments-on the other hand to be fair and honest with everybody the multinational army of alexander the great is a fact from my studies and different nationalities fought on the side of alexander the great because it is the first proffesional army with soldiers at the time illyrians trivillians people from bulgaria albania and others[this were definetely with no doubt fighting with alexanders army]but claiming alexander as your hero you go too far and too high from your reach be serious when you post again-we want serious people to post people who studied and read and are also familiar with the subject-this for the moment

  73. Svilen on May 17, 2014 at 2:59 pm said:

    I don’t think it matters all that much of Alexander was Greek or Macedonian, or whatever. What matters is that I can’t name even one person today from Greece or Macedonia or any surrounding country (and Bulgaria, where I used to live) that can even hold a candle to those brave and fearless people, like Alexander, that achieved so much. Shame on all of us that did not carry that bravery through the generations, but continue bickering about small things.

  74. chris on May 27, 2014 at 1:20 am said:

    alexander was greek as was cleopatra who’s remains if found should be returned to the city of patras where it is believed she originated.

  75. Marios on May 27, 2014 at 8:11 am said:

    Alexandros had a horse he loved. He called it “voukefalas” aglicized “Bucephalus ” Whoever can tell what the name means I.e. What it’s etymology is, can claim him
    Or what Philippos means , his father, or Olympias , his mother known as Polyxena before her husband participated in the Olympics , or his grandmother f Euridice or his sister Thessalia and so on and so on

    Knowing the etymology of world means one knows history. And knowing the meaning of words one can even become a philosopher.

    • Kitty on July 1, 2014 at 12:28 am said:

      The name voukefalas means ‘Oxhead’ because of a white mark on his forehead that resembled an ox’s head.

      I’m a Celtic Canadian. Does that mean that I can claim Alexander for my people? :p

  76. Nell on June 1, 2014 at 10:08 am said:

    I don’t quite understand why people are so hell bent on bringing nationality into this. Nationality had a very different meaning then than it does now to begin with, hardly comparable, and as if your personal label is more important than Alexander’s greater meaning for humanity as a species… get over yourselves.

  77. Nikouaq on June 24, 2014 at 12:11 pm said:

    With respect to Alexander’s ethnicity there are only two questions to be answered:
    (1) Where did the gods that he and Mecadonians worship supposedly inhabit?
    (2) Where was and still is this place located?

    Answers: (1) On the mount Olympos, and (2) in Greece.

    Have you ever heard of a nation locating its gods in … another country?

  78. panicos on June 24, 2014 at 6:55 pm said:

    true the gods alexander beleived were living on mount olympus in greece alexander spoke greek no fyrom dialogue or language [2]he was the king and general of the united city states of greece [3] alexander is a greek name [4] thesalloniki his sister her name was given to a greek city [5] his tactics and war techniques were copied from other greek generals by his father and him his generals were greek and had greek names his horse had a greek name even his father and mother SO where you see any relation with fyrom there is a diferrence between saying something and and proofing it or read and write something that has no supporting facts AND also alexander started his wars from greece not from fyrom -IN FYROM THERE IS NO HISTORY OR HISTORIC BACKGROUND OF HIM ONLY YOUR STATUES AND THINGS YOU BUILTED RECENTLY in the year 1980 until now -so you are far away from reality and true and you have to read history learn educate your selves bofore you talk and write in these columns- visit greece and you will understand how many things are connected with alexander things you can see and touch not things you say out of your imagination orfor your interests-as some people said find another heroe with fyrom name to claim as your general

  79. Gerimne on June 30, 2014 at 9:39 am said:

    Alexander turns in his grave, you stupid folks. He didn’t consider himself to be neither Greek nor Macedonian. He was just the citizen of the world.

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Egypt: Archaeologist Could Have Discovered the Tomb of Alexander the Great

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Alexandria| A team of archaeologists and historians from the Polish Center of Archaeology, that were conducting some research in the crypt of an ancient christian church, have revealed a mausoleum made of marble and gold that could well be the long lost tomb of Alexander III of Macedon,  who went down in history as Alexander the Great. The site is situated in an area known as Kom el-Dikka in the heart of downtown Alexandria, only 60 meters away from Mosque of Nebi Daniel, where Arabic tradition maintained the tomb was to be found and where many excavations had already been conducted.

A famous site of pilgrimage in Antiquity, the tomb is notably known to have been visited by many Roman emperors, including Julius Caesar and Gaius Octavius, better known as Augustus, who is said to have placed flowers on the tomb and a golden diadem upon Alexander’s mummified head. The last recorded visit to the tomb was made by the Roman emperor Caracalla in A.D. 215, less than a century before it disappears from Roman records.

The large monument, apparently sealed off and hidden in the 3rd or 4th century AD, possibly to protect it from the christian repression and destruction of pagan sites after the change of official religion within the Roman Empire. The entire site is a testimony to the multicultural nature of Alexander’s empire, combining artistic and architectural influences from both Greek, Egyptian, Macedonian and Persian origins. The inscriptions, mostly in greek, but including also a few egyptian hieroglyphs, mention that the Mausoleum is dedicated to the “King of Kings, and Conqueror of the World, Alexander III”.

It held a broken sarcophagus made of crystal glass, possibly damaged during the looting that took place during the political disturbances that ravaged Alexandria during the reign of Aurelian shortly after A.D. 270. It also held 37 bones, mostly broken or heavily damaged,  presumably all from the same adult male. A carbon-dating analysis is already under way to determine the age of the bones, and a battery of other tests also await to determine if the bones could be those of the Macedonian king. Other than that, the site held only a small number of artefacts, mostly broken pottery, dating mostly from the Ptolemaic and Roman eras.

The Egyptian Supreme Council for Antiquities had already officially recognized more than 140 unsuccessful searches for the site of Alexander’s third and final resting place, built by Ptolemy Philadelphus around 280 BC. Many astounding theories had been elaborated by various historians to explain the fact that the archeological excavations had come up empty-handed. Some historians had even evoked the possibility that his body could have been unintentionally stolen from Alexandria by a pair of Venetian merchants, taken to Venice, mistakenly renamed and venerated as St. Mark the Evangelist in Basilica di San Marco (Venice, Italy).

The actual facts however, seem to have been a lot closer to what had been corroborated by many authors of Antiquity and the Middle Ages, such as Plutarch,  Ibn ‘Abd al-Hakam, Al-Massoudi and Leo the African. In 321 BC, on its way back to Macedonia, the funerary cart with Alexander’s body was hijacked in Syria by one of his generals, Ptolemy I Soter.  Ptolemy then diverted the body to Egypt where it was interred in Memphis, the center of Alexander’s government in Egypt. Then, in the late 4th or early 3rd century BC, Alexander’s body was transferred from Memphis to Alexandria, where it was reburied.

By the fourth century A.D., the tomb’s location was no longer known, if one can trust the accounts of several of the early Church Fathers. However, creditable Arab commentators, including Ibn Abd al-Hakam (A.D. 871), Al-Massoudi (A.D. 944), and Leo the African (sixteenth century A.D.) all report having seen the tomb of Alexander, but none of them specified its exact location.

This new discovery by the Polish Center could certainly be one the most important ever made in the country, despite the already immense wealth of archeological treasures it has yielded. The site itself is a masterpiece of architechture and craftsmanship, and containing many possible new details about the great king. Should the bones turn out to be those of Alexander, the importance of this incredible find would certainly skyrocket, making it one of the greatest in history of archeology, if not the greatest.

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